Doctor Who: Unbound - Big Finish audios

[Rarewolf]

"...ish" is another quirky story, about the Doctor investigating a murder among dictionary makers and the mysterious power of the Omniverbum.

Out of 120 odd CDs ish is easily the worst for me.

I don't have any bad memories of Minuet in Hell.

 

[Phillip Culley]

"...ish" is another quirky story, about the Doctor investigating a murder among dictionary makers and the mysterious power of the Omniverbum.

Out of 120 odd CDs ish is easily the worst for me.

There are plenty worse than '...Ish' - just off the top of my head there's 'The Time of the Daleks', 'Medicinal Purposes' (irrelevant of that certain guest star) and 'Dreamland' - all three of those stories are painfully dull

And then there's the 'painfully bad to listen to', where the Unbound story 'Exile' comes to mind...

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I don't have any bad memories of Minuet in Hell.

It may be an American thing; there were so many little things that "Minuet" got wrong that I wondered if Gary Russell had ever set foot in the United States or spoken to an American. (I'm slightly forgiving of Alan Lear for this mess; his original version of "Minuet" for the A/Vs was crisp, and he and Russell had a falling out during the writing of this version.)

When BBC7 broadcast a season of McGann audios, they skipped right over "Minuet" and went straight to "Invaders from Mars."

 

[Phillip Culley]

When BBC7 broadcast a season of McGann audios, they skipped right over "Minuet" and went straight to "Invaders from Mars."

However this had less to do with the quality of the story, and more to do with the content (the BBC were probably not too keen on broadcasting a Doctor Who story set in a S&M club), plus it's substantially longer than the other stories in that season - Part One is nearly 45 minutes long, and Parts Three and Four are both over 35 minutes long!

It's a shame as there are a lot of good things in Minuet; it's just clearly let down by just as many things...

 

[Sci]

And Richard E. Grant? We can call him an "Unbound" Doctor, but that's a fannish construct. The intention, when he was created, was that he was the ninth Doctor, and the BBC promoted him as the ninth Doctor. Three novels actually treat him as such. There's no evidence in the new series that he isn't the ninth Doctor. The only evidence that he isn't is the BBC's marketing. Does marketing count?

In "School Reunion," the Tenth Doctor tells Sarah Jane that he's regenerated a half-dozen times since last he saw her. Four to Five, Five to Six, Six to Seven, Seven to Eight, Eight to Nine, Nine to Ten. Looks like six times to me. So unless Hartnell's Doctor wasn't the First Doctor, looks to me like Christopher Eccleston's was the Ninth. Maybe The Brain of Morbius will let us justify it?

Of course, I'm also more than happy to throw anything from the original series out if I don't like it, so if you'd like to do the same, I've no problem with that.

 

[wamdue]

And Richard E. Grant? We can call him an "Unbound" Doctor, but that's a fannish construct. The intention, when he was created, was that he was the ninth Doctor, and the BBC promoted him as the ninth Doctor. Three novels actually treat him as such. There's no evidence in the new series that he isn't the ninth Doctor. The only evidence that he isn't is the BBC's marketing. Does marketing count?

In "School Reunion," the Tenth Doctor tells Sarah Jane that he's regenerated a half-dozen times since last he saw her. Four to Five, Five to Six, Six to Seven, Seven to Eight, Eight to Nine, Nine to Ten. Looks like six times to me. So unless Hartnell's Doctor wasn't the First Doctor, looks to me like Christopher Eccleston's was the Ninth. Maybe The Brain of Morbius will let us justify it?

Of course, I'm also more than happy to throw anything from the original series out if I don't like it, so if you'd like to do the same, I've no problem with that.

I pretty much agree with all of this

 

[Allyn Gibson]

And Richard E. Grant? We can call him an "Unbound" Doctor, but that's a fannish construct. The intention, when he was created, was that he was the ninth Doctor, and the BBC promoted him as the ninth Doctor. Three novels actually treat him as such. There's no evidence in the new series that he isn't the ninth Doctor. The only evidence that he isn't is the BBC's marketing. Does marketing count?

In "School Reunion," the Tenth Doctor tells Sarah Jane that he's regenerated a half-dozen times since last he saw her. Four to Five, Five to Six, Six to Seven, Seven to Eight, Eight to Nine, Nine to Ten. Looks like six times to me. So unless Hartnell's Doctor wasn't the First Doctor, looks to me like Christopher Eccleston's was the Ninth. Maybe The Brain of Morbius will let us justify it?

Except that the Doctor was Peter Davison when last he saw her. So your math doesn't work.

 

[diankra]

And Richard E. Grant? We can call him an "Unbound" Doctor, but that's a fannish construct. The intention, when he was created, was that he was the ninth Doctor, and the BBC promoted him as the ninth Doctor. Three novels actually treat him as such. There's no evidence in the new series that he isn't the ninth Doctor. The only evidence that he isn't is the BBC's marketing. Does marketing count?

In "School Reunion," the Tenth Doctor tells Sarah Jane that he's regenerated a half-dozen times since last he saw her. Four to Five, Five to Six, Six to Seven, Seven to Eight, Eight to Nine, Nine to Ten. Looks like six times to me. So unless Hartnell's Doctor wasn't the First Doctor, looks to me like Christopher Eccleston's was the Ninth. Maybe The Brain of Morbius will let us justify it?

Except that the Doctor was Peter Davison when last he saw her. So your math doesn't work.

Rewatch the Five Doctors. When she's about to head off with Doctor 3 she doesn't seem to understand that Davison is Doctor5. Which makes Sarah sem a lot stupider than she usually is, but does give us the get-out that the Doctor is saying 'I've regenerated half a dozen times since the last time you realise you saw me'. (Though the DWM comic strip trainflight and Lonemagpie's novel Bullet Time, where Sarah meets the 7th Doctor mess all that up, of course...).
Oh, BTW, I worked out an answer to the Morbius faces just before closing time at the Tavern last week. They're the Hartnell Doctor in fancy dress at the annual Prydon Academy party.

 

[Sci]

And Richard E. Grant? We can call him an "Unbound" Doctor, but that's a fannish construct. The intention, when he was created, was that he was the ninth Doctor, and the BBC promoted him as the ninth Doctor. Three novels actually treat him as such. There's no evidence in the new series that he isn't the ninth Doctor. The only evidence that he isn't is the BBC's marketing. Does marketing count?

In "School Reunion," the Tenth Doctor tells Sarah Jane that he's regenerated a half-dozen times since last he saw her. Four to Five, Five to Six, Six to Seven, Seven to Eight, Eight to Nine, Nine to Ten. Looks like six times to me. So unless Hartnell's Doctor wasn't the First Doctor, looks to me like Christopher Eccleston's was the Ninth. Maybe The Brain of Morbius will let us justify it?

Except that the Doctor was Peter Davison when last he saw her. So your math doesn't work.

Except that Sarah Jane indicates in "School Reunion" that she hasn't seen the Doctor since he dropped her off at Aberdeen, and the Doctor never contradicts her claim that that was the last time they met, so apparently The Five Doctors isn't being acknowledged in the continuity of the current series.

 

[The]

Rassilon wiped all the companions memories of their Five Doctors adventure...

 

[Davros]

Doesn't he meet the Brigadier at some point?

In "Minuet in Hell," yes. Run far, far away from it.

I agree, that one was a real stinker.

 

[26138]

Rassilon wiped all the companions memories of their Five Doctors adventure...

The Time Lords could have done so, too.

 

[Davros]

Rassilon wiped all the companions memories of their Five Doctors adventure...

They never mentioned that in any episode.

It's a shame as there are a lot of good things in Minuet;

There was?
Maybe your copy was different than mine.

 

[wamdue]

Rassilon wiped all the companions memories of their Five Doctors adventure...

They never mentioned that in any episode.

so where is that suggestion coming from then?

 

[The]

Rassilon wiped all the companions memories of their Five Doctors adventure...

They never mentioned that in any episode.

I know. It's a bit like Sci trying to explain away the dating issue of VanStatten never having heard of Daleks in the episode Dalek.

In the end, since Sarah is talking about when The Doctor dropped her off/abandoned her in her final episode, in his 4th incarnation, regenerating "half-a-dozen-times" would place him in his 10th incarnation.


As for where it came from, I believe it's one of those either fan-theories or novel inclusions. I'm not certain which...