Dogfight:BSG Viper vs SG F-302

[Admiral2]

Im posting a question ive wondered about recently:

If a Stargate universe F-302 were to go against a colonial Viper (nuBSG) , and you were FORCED to pick one in a dogfight duel to the death, which ship would you choose and why.

Id wager the 302, simply because the naquadah AMRAAM missiles give it a better kill range than the Viper's plasma cannons.
And that hyperdrive can get ya outta dodge if you find out youre dogfighting Starbuck

I'd bet on the Viper.

I'm just going by how each was depicted. It just seems to me that the Vipers are faster and more maneuverable in normal space. Plus, though it wasn't shown often, Vipers have a missile capability of their own, so the AMRAAM isn't necessarily an advantage for the F-302s.

Vipers are also jump capable (as demonstrated by Lee Adama in the pilot), so no advantage there, either.

 

[Tom Servo]

I am pretty damn sure the Vipers don't have a jump drive.

 

[Admiral2]

I am pretty damn sure the Vipers don't have a jump drive.

Watch the original mini. It's how Apollo was getting around before he hooked up with Colonial One.

 

[Tom Servo]

I am pretty damn sure the Vipers don't have a jump drive.

Watch the original mini. It's how Apollo was getting around before he hooked up with Colonial One.

I don't think so. He was just using the standard sub light drives. He came to Galactica, and he escorted Colonial One back to Caprica. I never saw an FTL drive used there.

 

[Admiral2]

I am pretty damn sure the Vipers don't have a jump drive.

Watch the original mini. It's how Apollo was getting around before he hooked up with Colonial One.

I don't think so. He was just using the standard sub light drives. He came to Galactica, and he escorted Colonial One back to Caprica. I never saw an FTL drive used there.

[shrug] I could be wrong. Sticking by my vote.

 

[Silversmok3]

Not to say the Viper isn't a decent ship,but an AMRAAM can waste a Gould mothership.X 4 ,and well let's just say a proximity detonation will kill an unshielded Viper.

 

[Hermiod]

I am pretty damn sure the Vipers don't have a jump drive.

Watch the original mini. It's how Apollo was getting around before he hooked up with Colonial One.

I don't think so. He was just using the standard sub light drives. He came to Galactica, and he escorted Colonial One back to Caprica. I never saw an FTL drive used there.

You are correct. No Viper in nuBSG has ever been shown to be carrying a Jump Drive.

The smallest craft know to use them are Cylon Raiders.

Back to topic,F-302's have working hyperdrives,as shown in 'Fallen'.

That's not what I would call "working". You could not fly to Abydos in one. Naquahdria is dangerously unstable, too.

They also carry standard cannons,of course you ideally don't want a close up gunfight in space.

No, but that's what Vipers are essentially limited to.

What would make an intriguing dogfight is Cam Mitchell vs Starbuck.Waif,before you click reply I think Cam would take things as extreme as Starbuck does in flight.And ,like Starbuck he has led a fighter wing during a shooting war.

Certainly, but Starbuck has one advantage over Cam - I don't think she completely cares about her own life. She has that little element of insanity in her personality which makes her exceptionally dangerous.

Cam, on the other hand, is willing to die for his cause but more about making the other guy die for his cause first.

 

[philbob]

More intresting would be the F-22A or F-35A or a SU-35BM agains a one or the other

 

[Hermiod]

More intresting would be the F-22A or F-35A or a SU-35BM agains a one or the other

Since all of those are real life fighter aircraft, they wouldn't stand much of a chance, especially against an F-302. None are capable of spaceflight so the fight would take place within Earth's atmosphere where the inertial dampeners the F-302 is equipped with would provide a significant advantage.

 

[philbob]

More intresting would be the F-22A or F-35A or a SU-35BM agains a one or the other

Since all of those are real life fighter aircraft, they wouldn't stand much of a chance, especially against an F-302. None are capable of spaceflight so the fight would take place within Earth's atmosphere where the inertial dampeners the F-302 is equipped with would provide a significant advantage.

good point but what about the viper it doesnt have dampeners

 

[Silversmok3]

More intresting would be the F-22A or F-35A or a SU-35BM agains a one or the other

Not really.
While both aircraft are capable of 'radical' air combat manouvering,the -302 and viper would literally fly rings around both planes due to MUCH higher top speed,and the ability to fly to a near stop without 'departing controlled flight' (ie crashing)

If an F22/Sukhoi mixed it up with either a 302 or Viper the aircraft pilot either gets blown away-or ejects when his Lightning/Su37 goes into an uncontrollable flat stall and crashes.And dont use the scene of gliders vs Sukhois (NOT MIGs!) in Continuum as a defense.For one those were long range missile kills,and Jaffa suck at ACM.

 

[The Wormhole]

Which one is Batman flying? Does he have time to prepare?

 

[philbob]

The Viper functions like a tradtional Air craft in atmo from what we have seen on the show

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Is the Viper a Mark II or a Mark VII? That's a big difference right there (should be, at least, altho not much diff seen onscreen). 40 years worth of development would be like comparing a WWII fighter with some more modern aircraft (an F-14, for example)

 

[Hermiod]

^Realistically, Vipers are still the product of a civilisation that can build interstellar spacecraft. They are capable of spaceflight on their own, I doubt modern fighter aircraft would do very well against them.

 

[Silversmok3]

^Realistically, Vipers are still the product of a civilisation that can build interstellar spacecraft. They are capable of spaceflight on their own, I doubt modern fighter aircraft would do very well against them.

Indeed. The speed difference is pretty extreme. A modern fighter can go about 1500 MPH-for a limited amount of time before it runs out of fuel.

An F-302 and Viper are doubtlessly capable of faster, cruising speed much less max speed.
He with the fastest ship can begin or end a dogfight at will.

 

[QCzar]

The Viper functions like a tradtional Air craft in atmo from what we have seen on the show

Then maybe you didn't catch young Adama's radical maneuver in Razor. He almost stopped on a dime. 'Course, he is the "Husker", but still. They are obviously waaaay faster and must possess at least some limited form of inertial dampening to pull off something like that.

That or their pilots are made of much tougher stuff.

 

[Silversmok3]

The Viper functions like a tradtional Air craft in atmo from what we have seen on the show

Then maybe you didn't catch young Adama's radical maneuver in Razor. He almost stopped on a dime. 'Course, he is the "Husker", but still. They are obviously waaaay faster and must possess at least some limited form of inertial dampening to pull off something like that.

That or their pilots are made of much tougher stuff.

I've never seen it described as such in BSG,but there would have to be an inertial dampener of some kind ,otherwise the pilots would be crushed into atomic paste going from thousands of kilometers per second to zero.

 

[QCzar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfyNUhomMoU

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Back on the Battlestar/battlecruiser debate for a sec:

Who says the Daedalus wins "hands down"? The "newest" Daedaluses (with Asgard weapons) would be a tough fight, but not the "stock" model (rail guns and missiles). They don't have anything to match the "main" guns on a battlestar (the big capital scale ones, think battleship 18 inchers). Battlestars are bigger and more heavily armored. Battlestars also carry a bigger fighter complement.