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Maybe Republicans Are Starting To Make A Comeback

Dayton3

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I was really down after the election.

But now it seems the GOP will retain enough Senators to thwart the Obama Admin. from time to time and they've already had some success blocking the auto industry bailout.

Plus, they took the long time Democratic House Seat in Louisiana and JEB Bush has indicated he wants to run for Senate in Florida in 2010, indicating a possible resurgence for the Bush family.

This combined with the Democratic corruption in Illinois and perhaps things are starting to look up.
 
I was really down after the election.

But now it seems the GOP will retain enough Senators to thwart the Obama Admin. from time to time and they've already had some success blocking the auto industry bailout.

This success was found in the current 110th Congress, in which Republicans hold 49 senate seats. In the upcoming 111th Congress, they will hold only 41 or 42. An aide bill for the auto industry would probably have passed in the new chamber.

Plus, they took the long time Democratic House Seat in Louisiana and JEB Bush has indicated he wants to run for Senate in Florida in 2010, indicating a possible resurgence for the Bush family.

The seat in Louisiana is expected to return to the Democrats in the next election (indeed, the national and state parties were hapy with the result, as they'd not been able to convince the local primary voters to choose someone other than Jefferson, despite his corruption).

It's doubtful we'll see a Bush in national elected office for some time, unfair as that may be.

This combined with the Democratic corruption in Illinois and perhaps things are starting to look up.

I think the corruption scandal in Illinois is likely to remain a personal problem for Blagojevich, not one that besets the party. It's entirely too typical in Illinois for politicians in both parties to be significantly criminally corrupt (indeed, the previous governor, Republican George Ryan, is currently imprisoned). The state is corrupt, not either party particularly (unfortunately), and Governor Blagojevich is an unusually corrupt office holder, even for the state of Illinois.

He was also deeply unpopular and known corrupt at the time of his reelection, but won a ten-point victory over a very decent Republican candidate, whose loss can be solely attributed to the deep disdain in which the Republican Party is held in Illinois. Since 2002, affiliation with that party has been deeply damaging there.
 
I was really down after the election.

But now it seems the GOP will retain enough Senators to thwart the Obama Admin. from time to time and they've already had some success blocking the auto industry bailout.

Plus, they took the long time Democratic House Seat in Louisiana and JEB Bush has indicated he wants to run for Senate in Florida in 2010, indicating a possible resurgence for the Bush family.

This combined with the Democratic corruption in Illinois and perhaps things are starting to look up.
really down after the election?
after what george bush and the rest of his criminal administration have done to this country you should be doing backflips after obama won.illegal wiretaps, rendition, and torture are not part of the america i grew up in!
 
I'd say the situation in Illinois is a given...Chicago politician is synonomous with corruption ever since the Daley Machine of the 1960s.
 
I was really down after the election.

But now it seems the GOP will retain enough Senators to thwart the Obama Admin. from time to time and they've already had some success blocking the auto industry bailout.

Plus, they took the long time Democratic House Seat in Louisiana and JEB Bush has indicated he wants to run for Senate in Florida in 2010, indicating a possible resurgence for the Bush family.

This combined with the Democratic corruption in Illinois and perhaps things are starting to look up.

Wow... really wishful thinking!


  • No one really thought the dems would get 60.

  • The dems haven't lost a seat in two elections, which is amazing.

  • A black guy won the presidency which I figured the asshole south would stop.
  • The reps like blocking bills for only 14 illion dollars, but have no issue with giving banks 350 billion so the CEOs can go on vacation? Yeah I'm sure the reps love that.
  • Jeb Bush was always liked in Florida and will most likely win, so what's your point? That dumbass states like Florida will vote for a Bush? Hell they voted for Obama so what does Jeb have to do with a rep comeback?
 
i think this quote should be burned into every americans mind..."those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither liberty or security!" benjamin franklin. i think those words are as important today as they were over two hundred years ago.
 
I'd say the situation in Illinois is a given...Chicago politician is synonomous with corruption ever since the Daley Machine of the 1960s.

Chicago corruption dates to much earlier years. Actually, the 60s are notable in some ways for the level of corruption having declined over previous decades (notably the 20s, of course).
 
A political philosophy based less on accomplishing anything than on keeping the other party from accomplishing anything. Nice.
 
I was really down after the election.

But now it seems the GOP will retain enough Senators to thwart the Obama Admin. from time to time and they've already had some success blocking the auto industry bailout.

Plus, they took the long time Democratic House Seat in Louisiana and JEB Bush has indicated he wants to run for Senate in Florida in 2010, indicating a possible resurgence for the Bush family.

This combined with the Democratic corruption in Illinois and perhaps things are starting to look up.

The Republicans won the House seat that William Jefferson held. Stevens loosing his seat was more of a coup for the Democrats that LA was for the Republicans.

You've still got a LOT of work to do, and the Auto bailout happened last night, under the current congress. The ones who were elected last month don't take office for another couple of weeks.
 
Although I consider myself independent, I've tended to lean moderate Republican over the years.

But what the GOPers who killed the auto loan (not 'bailout') did was, in essence, sacrifice *3 million American jobs* on the altar of vengeance against the UAW. I'm hardly a union flagwaver and no fan of government rescues of private industry, but there was a greater good here that these so-called 'representatives of the people' stiff-armed in favor of a juvenile 'so there, thpppttt.' Shameful hardly begins to describe it.

If this is an example of what the GOP comeback will look like, I'll be voting with the Democrats from now on.
 
And the Republicans who voted against this were all Republicans from the south who have foreign auto companies in their states.
 
Although I consider myself independent, I've tended to lean moderate Republican over the years.

But what the GOPers who killed the auto loan (not 'bailout') did was, in essence, sacrifice *3 million American jobs* on the altar of vengeance against the UAW. I'm hardly a union flagwaver and no fan of government rescues of private industry, but there was a greater good here that these so-called 'representatives of the people' stiff-armed in favor of a juvenile 'so there, thpppttt.' Shameful hardly begins to describe it.

If this is an example of what the GOP comeback will look like, I'll be voting with the Democrats from now on.
Do you get the same kind of benefits and pay that the UAW workers currently enjoy? I would guess that you do not, same with the majority of people in this country. Do you take a pay cut or lose your job? Seems to me you should take the pay cut. GM could declare bankruptcy and break the union that way, there is precedent with Northwest Airlines a few years ago. We can't lose these jobs, I understand that, but we can't just give them the money and let them continue with the same management mindset.
 
Blocking the bailout for the automakers was a good sign to me not for the actual result but that is shows the Republicans are willing to fight and not lay down for the Democrats.

The other signs are relatively small scale and minor of course. But the longest journeys start with relatively small steps.

Just two years after the Democratic landslide of 1964, the Republicans made massive gains in the off year elections that eventually paved the way for a Republican dominance beginning 14 years later that lasted in one form or another for two decades.

And if the recession persists for another year or more, President Obama will get hammered by it.

That might not be good for the country in the short run of course.

But if we're going to have a recession anyway, might as well use it as a club against the Democratic agenda.
 
It's a cycle. Conservatives will block social progress and horde money, liberals will fight them. Ground will be gained, some lost. Until the end of the world.
 
I was really down after the election.

But now it seems the GOP will retain enough Senators to thwart the Obama Admin. from time to time and they've already had some success blocking the auto industry bailout.

Plus, they took the long time Democratic House Seat in Louisiana and JEB Bush has indicated he wants to run for Senate in Florida in 2010, indicating a possible resurgence for the Bush family.

This combined with the Democratic corruption in Illinois and perhaps things are starting to look up.
really down after the election?
after what george bush and the rest of his criminal administration have done to this country you should be doing backflips after obama won.illegal wiretaps, rendition, and torture are not part of the america i grew up in!

I don't give a flying rip about wire tapping.

To me if you have nothing to hide then why be concerned.

As for the rest, if evidence indicates someone is a member of a terrorist cell, I have no problem with inflicting some level of physical pain in the course of questioning.

The lives of hundreds or thousands of Americans are worth much, much more than inflicting pain on some terrorists.
 
I was really down after the election.

But now it seems the GOP will retain enough Senators to thwart the Obama Admin. from time to time and they've already had some success blocking the auto industry bailout.

Plus, they took the long time Democratic House Seat in Louisiana and JEB Bush has indicated he wants to run for Senate in Florida in 2010, indicating a possible resurgence for the Bush family.

This combined with the Democratic corruption in Illinois and perhaps things are starting to look up.
really down after the election?
after what george bush and the rest of his criminal administration have done to this country you should be doing backflips after obama won.illegal wiretaps, rendition, and torture are not part of the america i grew up in!

I don't give a flying rip about wire tapping.

To me if you have nothing to hide then why be concerned.

As for the rest, if evidence indicates someone is a member of a terrorist cell, I have no problem with inflicting some level of physical pain in the course of questioning.

The lives of hundreds or thousands of Americans are worth much, much more than inflicting pain on some terrorists.

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. "

Thomas Jefferson


J.
 
I don't give a flying rip about wire tapping.

To me if you have nothing to hide then why be concerned.

You're dangerously naive if you think violating rights only hurts the "bad guys".

Privacy is a right we have as Americans.

I will not give up my rights. Not for you, not for anyone. Not even for safety.

If you'd give up yours on the principle of "having nothing to hide" then you don't deserve that right to begin with.

As for the rest, if evidence indicates someone is a member of a terrorist cell, I have no problem with inflicting some level of physical pain in the course of questioning.

The lives of hundreds or thousands of Americans are worth much, much more than inflicting pain on some terrorists.

So it's ok to do something reprehensible, so long as you have a really really good reason for doing it? That's supervillain logic. That's how Al Queda justifies their actions.
 
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