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What was Voyagers first mission?

Guy Gardener

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This is about the Tricobolt weapon used to destroy the Caretakers array in the pilot. Something that we had never seen before or after even when they had to build a doomsday weapon in the Omega Directive. Note the competency of Voyagers workshop in regards towards the ease with which they create terrible things, but why did they have the tricobolt device on hand? What exactly is a short range tactical vessel if not a "bomber"? What were the particulars of Voyagers “mission” that it needed a grander weapon of mass destruction than was in their regular arsenal of 70 somewhat phonton torpedoes, each thousands of times more powerful than the bomb that devastated Hiroshima, although obviously Hiroshima didn’t have “shields”.

So they wanted to nab Chuckles and/or break his cell?

Even though Mr Vulcan and Seska both made it aboard the Val Jean gaining the mans confidence and spent weeks detailing his life among the Maquis before they took a wrong turn into the Delta Quadrant. Sun Tsu talks about the importance of choosing where a battle takes place and the vitalness of spies before a battle, so it’s only a matter of logic to extrapolate that if these to addends to the intended conflict were removed that you’d would need a disproportion amount of equitable fire power to replace the absence of suitable intelligence and forward planning, which is usually the benefit of showing the colours in a massive Galaxy Class Star Ship rather than a rickety barge the size of a toilet block on the edge of a soccer field.

IE: Would they have sent Voyager off into the fray with the Tricobolt Weapon if Tuvok hadn’t gone missing?

Consider the sieges of Troy, Masada and the Alamo to a lone Barabarian rapping at the gates of Rome laying down the law… But then if it was just one guy charging his elephant at said gates, well that would be a slightly different story for the short game? Then consider the low torpedo compliment of barely over 70 torpedoes. Voyagers first mission was not anticipated to involve a prolonged fire fight if that’s what is considered “loaded for bear” in that day and age, but then remember the ridiculousness of Nemesis that the Enterprise ran out of torpedoes after about 4 minutes of brawling with the Romulans and Shinzon… Although Picard’s Ship might have had an unusual low armory depository because they were being respectful of the diplomatic stresses their mission was prevailing under?

Meanwhile if the Tricobolt Weapon was packed for the original mission parameters and not just the revised adventure once they lost their laid viper turncoat, would that mean that Kathy’s mission was to destroy something about the size or/and toughness of the Caretaker’s Array as one of her key objectives, like perhaps Chakotay’s base of operations in the Bad Lands, be it a space station or a planet (later seen in one of the delightful Eddington episodes of DS9. For the Uniform maybe?), or something equally delightful to shoot at that Kathy’s mission might not have been absolutely bloodless since anywhere big enough to act as a base for the Val Jean would also be a hub for other Maquis cells… So even with Tuvok dropping the shields or masking Voyagers approach from the more alert Maquis on sentinel duty, how many Maquis Raiders and other ships, could Voyager really think it had a chance against with it’s shields going daft from the badlands wonky space disturbances, of subduing peaceably some unsiegeable space fortress and taking prisoners that it didn’t have a quick and effective alternative to exercise the threat entirely and then beat a swift retreat before a question of numbers became no question at all?
 
Memory Alpha's article on TCDs sums it up rather succinctly:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tricobalt_device

IIRC the idea for a tricobalt device stemmed from the writers' desire to have something "not" a photon torpedo that could destroy the Caretaker's array in one dramatic shot, rather than just using regular ol' torpedos. Shortly thereafter, Rick Sternbach (via the old Trek tech newsgroups) supposed that TCDs were demolition devices to be used against slow, unshielded targets. Most have since inferred that there was nothing really special about TCDs, except that they would not normally be used in combat.

So, presumably Voyager and other starships had a couple ready to go for anti-asteroid duties (or whatever) and just don't often have the need to destroy huge unshielded objects on screen.

Mark

PS - Voyager originally came with 40 torpedos, not 70. And presumably, during the stretches of the series when energy was in slightly greater abundance, they fabricated extras.
 
I thought Voyager was a long range deep space tactical vessel, not a short range?

I could swear that's what Neelix called it in "Someone to Watch Over Me" & Janeway makes referance in "Relitivity". It's first assignment was out in deep space.

If it was supposed to go on mission outside Federation controlled space, I would assume it might be a experimental Borg weapon or any enemy of equal power. However, seeing as how Voyager wasn't fully stocked before getting transported into the Delta Q., Janeway exhausted her supply destroying the array and never got to test it on the Borg at all.
 
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I'd assume the devices were very convenient, cheap, primitive and commonplace - but also theoretically harmful in unacceptable ways, a fact that Starfleet was unwilling to admit and therefore didn't make public the continued use of the devices aboard its starships.

Two analogies readily present themselves. One is the use of DDT pesticides, which are very good at what they do, and cheap to manufacture, but have unwanted side effects on bald eagles and orcas and whatnot. Their use continues throughout the world, but in the current media atmosphere, the users are unwilling to brag on the issue. The other would be the use of fission warheads on tactical weapons such as anti-aircraft missiles and depth charges, a practice that involved a lot of lying during the Cold War. NATO and Warsaw Pact ships were regularly equipped with fission anti-submarine weapons while claiming they were clean, and similar obfuscation surrounded Nike Zeus SAM sites or most of the forward deployments of Soviet tactical ballistic missiles and bombers - weapon systems that in theory might have been used without nuclear (or chemical or biological) warheads but in practice never were.

Starfleet would probably feel sorry for the bald subspace eagles, but wouldn't give up a cheap and efficient explosive; rather, they might do some sort of corrective half-measures, such as distribute subspace wigs for the birds. And the crazed Seven would fail to see the political reality of the situation, and would misleadingly associate the incidentally subspacey demolition charges with the intentionally universe-ripping subspace weapons banned by the treaty.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I thought Voyager was a long range deep space tactical vessel, not a short range?

I could swear that's what Neelix called it in "Someone to Watch Over Me" & Janeway makes referance in "Relitivity". It's first assignment was out in deep space.

If you take 'deep space' as anywhere far from Earth (such as DS9) she could be a shot range ship, designed to operate in deep space, but largely relying on being assigned to, or regularly reporting back to, a starbase. Maybe.
 
They were on a three hour tour from Deep Space Nine, a three hour tour.

Split the difference and call it a midrange vessel if you counter it's travel log against the Enterprise D's odometer which clocks at something strange after their brief trip to galaxy M33. Voyager wasn't a gun ship and it wasn't a city in space, despite how it managed to impersonate either description quite well over the years.

Mark's claims that the TCD was an insanely low yield weapon does tie into the idea of the few times when Picard's ship was too close to open fire at a close target because of the "fallout" or concussion from Torpedo detonation is interesting but it's ridiculous to think that with the sort of technology on hand that Star Ships can't have Torpedoes with variable yield controlled from the bridge if they do on a Submarine in the Sea Quest universe... "The White Star Fleet does not shoot at Asteroids!"

How underhanded is the Federation Timo? I mean what they were willing to do to the Baku? However Encounter at Far Point precisely puts across their ideas about magically convenient space beastie child slavery rings.

Another thought is that the TCD could have been their for their second mission after Chakotay had been dealt with, which would indicate that enough was thought of the intrepid design that it didn't have to be formally attached to any single base of operations despite it's expected dependency on inselfsufficient resources.
 
How underhanded is the Federation Timo?

I'd argue the right question here is "How underhanded is Starfleet?". I doubt they would tell the UFP Council that they were shipping munitions that might infringe on some high-concept treaty the Council just ratified, unless they really had to. Building dreadnoughts in secrecy or planning for invasions is one thing, not being afraid to mislabel a product is wholly another.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I do remember Sisko being charming about how the lads from Mars fudged about the exact classification for the Defiant, but exactly how do you have a black budget when there is no money to speak of, to misappropriate?

So it comes down to who truly rules the federation? The Council or the Admiralty?

(I have to assume that there's a couple people who wear both hats.)

Although I also recall Kathy claiming to Telek Rimor in Eye of the Needle that Voyager might be a new design, but nothing was revolutionary, highly classified or experimental... Which lends more credence to the thought that the TCD was not revolutionary, classified or experimental, kinda like how that Romulan ship back in the second episode of Star Trek just happened to have an antiquated century old atomic bomb gathering dust in their weapons store they insticonverted into a contact mine.
 
Somehow, I'd be happier with finding exotic antiques aboard a hastily thrown-together prototype (Defiant or the Romulan cloakship), a floating city that has room to spare for silly things (the various Enterprises), or the vessel of some packrat species, than with finding that sort of stuff aboard a recently constructed vessel of modern specs that doesn't even come from a culture in the throes of a major economic or military crisis.

But I wouldn't wonder a bit if Starfleet had something of an excessive stock of tricobalt explosives (those might be a bulk material, considering how they have been used in such greatly varying quantities and yields), and dumped a few crates of it aboard every starship between the containers of shelter-construction cement and the racks of ultraviolet satellites.

Timo Saloniemi
 
In that episode where Sisko gets stoned and finds a city, they talk about integrating the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet. That's not just people, but ordinance too... Consider that the Federation is now instantly admitting races, since Insurrection, that have only been Warp capable for a single year if they have the correct natural resources to plunder...

Starfleet could end up with planet sized warehouses of crap they don't need and would be embarrassed to use, but have to make a show of being polite about accepting, and unfortunately they'd never consier regifting weapons, since it is the hieght of tackiness.
 
Excellent idea. Probably Starfleet wouldn't dump, say, ex-Coridani munitions on the shining new Voyager unless those were still of real worth, but they could well be.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I thought Voyager was a long range deep space tactical vessel, not a short range?

I could swear that's what Neelix called it in "Someone to Watch Over Me" & Janeway makes referance in "Relitivity". It's first assignment was out in deep space.

If you take 'deep space' as anywhere far from Earth (such as DS9) she could be a shot range ship, designed to operate in deep space, but largely relying on being assigned to, or regularly reporting back to, a starbase. Maybe.
Not according to Chakotay in "Innocense", he explains Voyager was built to survive without support because it's self sustaining and it's warp core is designed to consentrate anti-matter so it lasts way longer than any of the ships before it. A year longer as a matter of fact.

Besides, isn't DS9 on the edge of unexplored space for the Federation?
Didn't they repeatly say on DS9 how they were weeks away from any Federation/Starfleet support?

So in essance, Voyager getting lost in the Delta Q. was an extreme test of what the ship was built for.
 
Not according to Chakotay in "Innocense", he explains Voyager was built to survive without support because it's self sustaining and it's warp core is designed to consentrate anti-matter so it lasts way longer than any of the ships before it. A year longer as a matter of fact.

...they gave Chakotay lines?! I'm both shocked and appalled.
 
Besides, isn't DS9 on the edge of unexplored space for the Federation? Didn't they repeatly say on DS9 how they were weeks away from any Federation/Starfleet support?

Janeway told Mark she would "see him in a few weeks", and I assume he lives on Earth. So depending on how long they all thought it would take to capture the Val Jean they would've been home in a couple of months anyway.
 
Not according to Chakotay in "Innocense", he explains Voyager was built to survive without support because it's self sustaining and it's warp core is designed to consentrate anti-matter so it lasts way longer than any of the ships before it. A year longer as a matter of fact.

...they gave Chakotay lines?! I'm both shocked and appalled.
:lol:

Yes I know, hard to believe a piece of wood can talk but it was part of his chore in becoming a real boy.
 
Besides, isn't DS9 on the edge of unexplored space for the Federation?
Didn't they repeatly say on DS9 how they were weeks away from any Federation/Starfleet support?

So in essance, Voyager getting lost in the Delta Q. was an extreme test of what the ship was built for.

Earth was about a week away through regular channels, Sisko's dad bitched about the trip, and cestus three, where Kirk fought the Gorn was 8 weeks away from ds9 at (Kassidy's cargo ships) max Warp, however the Definant made it to earth in a few hours during the Paradise Lost episodes of DS9 to quell that coup.

Then again with increases in speed always happening you'd have to wonder if the romulan neutral zone is still 9 hours from earth like it was in First contact because it certainly isn't years away like it was after the Earth Romulan War which that dick Archer started by shagging the Romulan Queen Mother.

Janeway told Tom how long the mission would last when they were talking in New Zealand Penal Colony, it was two or three weeks. One or the other. I assumed that most of that was there and back.
 
Besides, isn't DS9 on the edge of unexplored space for the Federation?
Didn't they repeatly say on DS9 how they were weeks away from any Federation/Starfleet support?

So in essance, Voyager getting lost in the Delta Q. was an extreme test of what the ship was built for.

Earth was about a week away through regular channels, Sisko's dad bitched about the trip, and cestus three, where Kirk fought the Gorn was 8 weeks away from ds9 at (Kassidy's cargo ships) max Warp, however the Definant made it to earth in a few hours during the Paradise Lost episodes of DS9 to quell that coup.

Then again with increases in speed always happening you'd have to wonder if the romulan neutral zone is still 9 hours from earth like it was in First contact because it certainly isn't years away like it was after the Earth Romulan War which that dick Archer started by shagging the Romulan Queen Mother.

Janeway told Tom how long the mission would last when they were talking in New Zealand Penal Colony, it was two or three weeks. One or the other. I assumed that most of that was there and back.
Guy on a personal note, I really just wanna say you really have a way with words and know how to flip a phrase. It's always entertaining to read your posts and I mean that as a compliment.:)
 
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