Most Overrated "Recent" Bond Movie.
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Quantum of Solace isn't registering at the US box as hard as it did elsewhere. Yes, its done great but pre-release with the buzz in Europe and records it set there it was predicted to blow past Casino Royal. Now it'll do good to do the same or just slightly better.
I think this is more a reflection that people realize the blandness of this Daniel Craig and his James Bond as Jason Bourne 2.1 just not being as good as Bourne...let alone a true Bond film. It took two movies but I think its hitting home with US audiences/fans that Casino was overhyped and QoS bears it out that much more.
I think this is more a reflection that people realize the blandness of this Daniel Craig and his James Bond as Jason Bourne 2.1 just not being as good as Bourne...let alone a true Bond film. It took two movies but I think its hitting home with US audiences/fans that Casino was overhyped and QoS bears it out that much more.
Just as an aside - is there any clearly on-line clue that someone has a self-inflated view of their place in the universe as when they make loftly pronouncements about something being "true", "it's not a true scobbydoo movie, you know" - like they are the pope making a pronouncement to the great unwashed.
Good Will Riker
Admiral
Having viewed Octopussy again last night...^
One of the things I always found cool about Octopussy is that the German police officers seemed to be far better drivers than their American counterparts, staying true to the cliché that we Germans are great drivers.
Actually, the focus of that scene was more on Moore's Bond being a reckless driver more so than German cops who were trailing behind him in the chase to the circus.
The audience in the United States lost interest in Quantum of Solace as rapidly as they did with Batman & Robin 12 years ago.
Although both films pulled in similar numbers at the American box office respectively, $100 million in 2008 US dollars isn't quite the same as $100 million US dollars from 1997.
Considering all of the hype and marketing that went into this film, Quantum of Solace isn't getting the repeat business like previous Bonds. Adjusted for inflation, even Licence to Kill made more money at the American box office almost 20 years ago, and that film was considered a bomb in the United States.
Take the name James Bond and the monicker "007" out of Quantum of Solace, and this may as well be another XXX film with Ice Cube.
Siwilliams
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Good Will Riker
Admiral
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Well, if you are that big of a fan of Quantum of Solace's close to the camera action sequences, frenetic editting, plot-thin script, and inexperienced action director, by all means...
By the way, you remind me of a few Singaporeans I have been acquainted with in the past.
By any chance are you from that part of the world?
Well, if you are that big of a fan of Quantum of Solace's close to the camera action sequences, frenetic editting, plot-thin script, and inexperienced action director, by all means...
By the way, you remind me of a few Singaporeans I have been acquainted with in the past.
By any chance are you from that part of the world?
I don't see a response to my actual question?
(and I haven't commented about the quality of the film - it's irrelevant to the point we are discussing).
Oh and I'm English - I just use a foreign sounding name because it's interesting to see the racial sterotypes that people project onto my on-line surname.
Good Will Riker
Admiral
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Same with James Bond.
Take away the English accent and the family coat of arms from On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and there are no distinguishing traits that indicate that the man is infact English.
Truly, a transnational character.
Same with James Bond.
Take away the English accent and the family coat of arms from On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and there are no distinguishing traits that indicate that the man is infact English.
Truly, a transnational character.
Yes indeed, that why we get jocks, paddies, taffs and ozzies to play him - back to my question -your statement about it being a bigger bomb than Licence to Kill, how did you reach that conclusion?
Good Will Riker
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crumpet - Roger Moore, Daniel Craig
jock - Sean Connery
paddy - Pierce Brosnan
taff - Timothy Dalton
ozzy - George Lazenby
And no, I did not use Sherlock Holmesian analysis and logic in deriving my box office numbers.
Instead, you made shit up to "prove" your incorrect point. Was QoS the best Bond film ever? Hardly. But the fact remains it has made more than LtK when adjusted for inflation.
I've never thought of Bond as English, he's British and has a Scottish father and a Swiss mother.
So do you or don't you have something you seem to want to directly address with me? Your smug comment followed my post a page back so if not then my apology.
Thats right I said Daniel Craigs Bond isn't a true Bond. True cinematic Bond has certain characters, looks and moods. Congrats if its more literary Bond but its not true cinematic Bond and for better or worse there is a distinction.
Consider yourself "washed".
So do you or don't you have something you seem to want to directly address with me? Your smug comment followed my post a page back so if not then my apology.
Thats right I said Daniel Craigs Bond isn't a true Bond. True cinematic Bond has certain characters, looks and moods. Congrats if its more literary Bond but its not true cinematic Bond and for better or worse there is a distinction.
Consider yourself "washed".
The reason I mentioned it is that I see it thrown around a lot here - in the star trek folders, in the SGU folders, in the general sci-fi folders. It's usage isn't simply to say "I did not like the film", it's usage always seems to be "I understand this character better than the rest of you and therefore you should trust my judgement about what is correct and should be considered an authoritive work" and the people who use it seem to think they are making some objective rather than subjective statement.
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Well I can't speak for all but I do believe there is a distinct difference in Fleming literary Bond and cinematic Bond. The novels of Gardner and Benson however are done in cinematic style, the lines are so blurred to the point of their seemingly being one Bond identity and that is of the cinematic style. Feel free to disagree. I should've pointed out that Flemings Bond is different from that of Gardner and Benson and so Fleming purists can be happy I suppose.
Casino Royale wasn't a bad film and I didn't hate it, I mearly don't see it as a Bond film due to it missing so much of what the past 35+ years of cinematic Bond has been about.
Well I can't speak for all but I do believe there is a distinct difference in Fleming literary Bond and cinematic Bond. The novels of Gardner and Benson however are done in cinematic style, the lines are so blurred to the point of their seemingly being one Bond identity and that is of the cinematic style. Feel free to disagree. I should've pointed out that Flemings Bond is different from that of Gardner and Benson and so Fleming purists can be happy I suppose.
Casino Royale wasn't a bad film and I didn't hate it, I mearly don't see it as a Bond film due to it missing so much of what the past 35+ years of cinematic Bond has been about.
I don't know that I understand the character better than "the rest of you" but I am starting to think that I understand him better than the people making the current movies. (Of course, I realize that my opinions on this matter are purely subjective. However, on an entertainment BBS such as this, our subjective opinons are often the only objective reality we have.
)I'd still say that Casino Royale is more overrated, mostly because its reviews seemed to be uniformly good. The Quantum of Solace reviews have been more mixed.
However, viewed independent from what other people think of it, I just want to say that Quantum of Solace is absolutely awful! I hated it! For all its faults, at least Casino Royale felt like a James Bond movie. It felt like a James Bond movie with all of the fun and most of the charm drained out of it but it was still somewhat recognizably James Bond. Quantum of Solace is nothing of the kind.
Daniel Craig is not James Bond. He's a dour, petulant thug. Sean Connery was never this joyless. Connery was never above throwing in a post-kill pun. And all of the previous 007s have been charming men, never losing their cool even in the most desperate situations. That is what distinguished the James Bond movies from every other generic action movie out there. Until they recast, revamp, or bring back Q, I'm just not sure I can give a shit anymore.
Furthermore, I really couldn't stand the movie's self-conscious social conscience. It's failing at its fundamental job of being fun escapism if every other scene has to make some comment about how the world is running out of oil, major (evil) corporations run sweatshops in Haiti, everyone has to make deals with the devil because EVERYONE is corrupt, and that the Euro is kicking the dollar's ass because of the Iraq war.
Well that's certainly your opinion, we won't truly know until Craig's third movie. If that performs poorly or flops, then your assertion might have some weight.
I don't know that I understand the character better than "the rest of you" but I am starting to think that I understand him better than the people making the current movies. (Of course, I realize that my opinions on this matter are purely subjective. However, on an entertainment BBS such as this, our subjective opinons are often the only objective reality we have.
I'd still say that Casino Royale is more overrated, mostly because its reviews seemed to be uniformly good. The Quantum of Solace reviews have been more mixed.
However, viewed independent from what other people think of it, I just want to say that Quantum of Solace is absolutely awful! I hated it! For all its faults, at least Casino Royale felt like a James Bond movie. It felt like a James Bond movie with all of the fun and most of the charm drained out of it but it was still somewhat recognizably James Bond. Quantum of Solace is nothing of the kind.
Daniel Craig is not James Bond. He's a dour, petulant thug. Sean Connery was never this joyless. Connery was never above throwing in a post-kill pun. And all of the previous 007s have been charming men, never losing their cool even in the most desperate situations. That is what distinguished the James Bond movies from every other generic action movie out there. Until they recast, revamp, or bring back Q, I'm just not sure I can give a shit anymore.
Furthermore, I really couldn't stand the movie's self-conscious social conscience. It's failing at its fundamental job of being fun escapism if every other scene has to make some comment about how the world is running out of oil, major (evil) corporations run sweatshops in Haiti, everyone has to make deals with the devil because EVERYONE is corrupt, and that the Euro is kicking the dollar's ass because of the Iraq war.
See oddly I thought QOS played more like a traditional Bond flick than CR, ridiculous globetrotting, villains with a ridiculopus plan, a crazy villains lair, humour (yes it was there)
As someone who was avowedly anti-Craig when he was cast I have to say he continues to win me over. Yes they've dropped the puns but that's probably a good thing. Brosnan could pull them off, as could Moore and even Connery, but you only have to look how uncomfortable Dalton looked at times trying to deliver Moore style lines...I imagine DC would be equally ill at ease. That said it doesn't mean either man couldn't play humour, but it has to be a different sort of humour, and I love Daniel Craig's very dry approach.
If anything the only bit of Daniel Craig's Bond that doesn't always work for me is his womanising- his scenes with Fields seemed awfully stilted, and he didn't even get to get down and dirty with Camille. But he is funny, just in a different way.
I'm a huge Bond fan, but I don't claim to know the character as well as the people in charge (this was proven over DC in my opinion) Bond has always evolved, always changed to fit the times and DC's 21st century Bond proves that. I'd never met a Bond I didn't like before Daniel Craig, and I still haven't
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Personally, I was very happy that he didn't "get down and dirty" with Camille. It makes here character stronger IMHO since her backstory actually matters and she doesn't just helplessly fall for his Bond's charms as do most other Bond girls.
This is also one of the reasons I enjoyed TND so much. Wei Lin is allowed to be a strong and interesting character rather than just another attractive female distraction for Bond.
Unfortunately, TWINE and DAD went backwards on that issue and suffered as a consequence IMHO. That's one of many reasons why I feel both CR and QoS are absolutely on the right course.
Personally, I was very happy that he didn't "get down and dirty" with Camille. It makes here character stronger IMHO since her backstory actually matters and she doesn't just helplessly fall for his Bond's charms as do most other Bond girls.
This is also one of the reasons I enjoyed TND so much. Wei Lin is allowed to be a strong and interesting character rather than just another attractive female distraction for Bond.
Unfortunately, TWINE and DAD went backwards on that issue and suffered as a consequence IMHO. That's one of many reasons why I feel both CR and QoS are absolutely on the right course.