"I felt a great disturbance...as if Jim's old toupee suddenly cried out in terror...and was suddenly silenced.
I feel something terrible has happened to the timeline."
Spock knows the timeline changed because --?
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"I felt a great disturbance...as if Jim's old toupee suddenly cried out in terror...and was suddenly silenced.
I feel something terrible has happened to the timeline."
how does someone "simply" go back in time?please get back to me asap. theres some things i'd like to change.
It'd be a small hoot if the writers snuck in a sly reference to First Contact, in that Spock sees Nero open a temporal vortex, Spock gets caught in its wake and sees the timeline change around him, just as how the Enterprise-E crew saw the Earth instantly become a Borg world.
Remember too, that reports are old Spock is in a Vulcan starship/timeship. But, we're watching Nero try to destroy Vulcan in the movie. What's up with that? Where's the suspense if old Spock's ship is a Vulcan design? Paradox? Did the surviving Vulcans throw themselves into the study of time travel to try to find a way to go back and stop Nero? Was Spock the one they chose to go back and try to stop the day Vulcan was destroyed? Perhaps because he knew who might be helpful back then?
Just saying that's one way Spock could go back in time. He's actually the one changing the timeline. He's using Kirk and the crew to restore Vulcan. Pine said he got to save "the Earth." Maybe he meant Vulcan.
Doesn't explain the attack on the Kelvin, but we're forgetting, too, that Nero could've gone from one to the other pretty quickly. And, in the grand scheme of things, stopping the attack on Vulcan is the big one.
Or maybe all the above is the wine talking.
Edited to add this:
Consider Nero's attack on the Kelvin v. his attempt to destroy Vuclan. Which is more heinous? Which truly alters the future the most? After all, if killing Kirk was his first priority, he failed and knows it. Why not try again? It's the conceit of the fan to think Kirk was the primary target. Why is he going after Vulcan? Perhaps because it was his primary target all along. Stopping Kirk was a step in that direction.
That's why Spock doesn't need to know the timeline has been altered. He's the one doing it. Him and some refugee Vulcans who suppose that if Vulcan had survived, things couldn't be worse than the world old Spock and whatever there is of the Federation live in now. They are desperate. They are even illogical. But they are willing to try.
SPOCK is the one who changes the timeline. He changes what NERO did. These Vulcans actually roll the dice that whatever future they would have with Vulcan is better than one without.
On the ice planet, Spock tells Kirk that going with him back onto the Enterprise is "not his destiny." Maybe Spock doesn't know his future. Maybe all he knows is he's thrown things into a better direction. The one that (more or less) becomes the Trek era.
I don't know. If you can do better, let's hear it.
Just saying that's one way Spock could go back in time. He's actually the one changing the timeline. He's using Kirk and the crew to restore Vulcan. Pine said he got to save "the Earth." Maybe he meant Vulcan.
Doesn't explain the attack on the Kelvin, but we're forgetting, too, that Nero could've gone from one to the other pretty quickly. And, in the grand scheme of things, stopping the attack on Vulcan is the big one.
Or maybe all the above is the wine talking.
Edited to add this:
Consider Nero's attack on the Kelvin v. his attempt to destroy Vuclan. Which is more heinous? Which truly alters the future the most? After all, if killing Kirk was his first priority, he failed and knows it. Why not try again? It's the conceit of the fan to think Kirk was the primary target. Why is he going after Vulcan? Perhaps because it was his primary target all along. Stopping Kirk was a step in that direction.
That's why Spock doesn't need to know the timeline has been altered. He's the one doing it. Him and some refugee Vulcans who suppose that if Vulcan had survived, things couldn't be worse than the world old Spock and whatever there is of the Federation live in now. They are desperate. They are even illogical. But they are willing to try.
SPOCK is the one who changes the timeline. He changes what NERO did. These Vulcans actually roll the dice that whatever future they would have with Vulcan is better than one without.
On the ice planet, Spock tells Kirk that going with him back onto the Enterprise is "not his destiny." Maybe Spock doesn't know his future. Maybe all he knows is he's thrown things into a better direction. The one that (more or less) becomes the Trek era.
I don't know. If you can do better, let's hear it.
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Spock probably has some timeline divergance detector thing.
Maybe his timeship/pod is equipped with sensors similar to what 29th and 31st century Federation time travelers on VOY and ENT had...to monitor flows and divergences in the timestream and know when and where interruptions and changes have taken place.
I personally think that either Spock's mission of reunification between Vulcan and Romulus has been a success (and this is the cause of Nero's mission to destroy Vulcan), or that Spock is still on Romulus very close to that goal, causing Nero to undertake his mission.
So Spock learns about the plan and steals a ship using the same tech to follow Nero back, but Spock's (and possibly Nero's) time deus ex machina burn out after the first go when Nero destroys the Kelvin as the keystone of his plan. Spock is unable to simply go back again to prevent the Kelvin's destruction and must restore timeline the hard way.
Alternatively, or additionally, fear of discovery by Nero and fear of throwing everything even more out of whack keeps him working in the shadows.
Not only to prevent the ascension of James T. Kirk and his crew, but to destroy Vulcan and throw the Federation and Klingons into war with each other (remember the destruction of a large part of the Klingon fleet? And mention of the 'galactic Pearl Harbor?). This would leave the Romulans the dominant power in the quadrant, and eliminate any possibility with reunifying with Vulcan and abandoning their warrior ways.
So Spock learns about the plan and steals a ship using the same tech to follow Nero back, but Spock's (and possibly Nero's) time deus ex machina burn out after the first go when Nero destroys the Kelvin as the keystone of his plan. Spock is unable to simply go back again to prevent the Kelvin's destruction and must restore timeline the hard way.
Alternatively, or additionally, fear of discovery by Nero and fear of throwing everything even more out of whack keeps him working in the shadows.
Well, there's also the paradox of the Enterprise-E existing during First Contact even though the Borg had won. It was all neatly explained as having the ship be protected by the very same vortex they used to follow the Borg.
And where are Captain Braxton or Daniels to zoom/zip back to this century and correct things themselves?
Unless Spock was supposed to be the one who corrected the timeline...in which case...OUCH. My head hurts. I hate temporal mechanics.
And where are Captain Braxton or Daniels to zoom/zip back to this century and correct things themselves?
OUCH. My head hurts. I hate temporal mechanics.
Braxton and Daniels knew there was only one man who could handle the job. Plus, Braxton's crazy and Daniels is about the blandest character in all of Trek, and they both know it.
And where are Captain Braxton or Daniels to zoom/zip back to this century and correct things themselves?
OUCH. My head hurts. I hate temporal mechanics.
Braxton and Daniels knew there was only one man who could handle the job. Plus, Braxton's crazy and Daniels is about the blandest character in all of Trek, and they both know it.
And since Daniels has been doing Emeril Lagasse and Redi-Whip commercials lately, he probably wasn't available.
And where are Captain Braxton or Daniels to zoom/zip back to this century and correct things themselves?
OUCH. My head hurts. I hate temporal mechanics.
Braxton and Daniels knew there was only one man who could handle the job. Plus, Braxton's crazy and Daniels is about the blandest character in all of Trek, and they both know it.
And where are Captain Braxton or Daniels to zoom/zip back to this century and correct things themselves?
OUCH. My head hurts. I hate temporal mechanics.
Braxton and Daniels knew there was only one man who could handle the job. Plus, Braxton's crazy and Daniels is about the blandest character in all of Trek, and they both know it.
Daniels: the Anderson Cooper of time travel.
I object, Anderson Cooper's cute. You can't say the same about Daniels.
I object, Anderson Cooper's cute. You can't say the same about Daniels.
For a dude from the year 3051, the women of his century consider him a catch.
Please tell me you're talking about Anderson Cooper. I refuse to believe the future is so badly designed!
Good point. If all people from the 31st century are as bland and bereft of pizzazz as Daniels...we should just fire off all our nukes now and end it.
Good point. If all people from the 31st century are as bland and bereft of pizzazz as Daniels...we should just fire off all our nukes now and end it.
Hell, I would gladly swallow a matter/anti-matter reaction if it saved someone the trouble of pressing the fire button.
Don't be rude.
I know Voyager well, and know about both temporal shielding and Braxton and his boys with the oddball sideways deltas.
My point, which you somehow missed, was that even if someone else knew time had gone wrong, why have Spock set it right, if he's a Spock who has no memory of Kirk?
Things point to Spock doing what he does because he DOES remember Kirk and wants to keep things on track, not because he has no memory of Kirk and and gets asked to make things right.
Sorry...gotta go...
I'm having Scott Bakula flashbacks, and I don't mean ENTERPRISE.
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