Spock knows the timeline changed because --?
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Wasn't he said to be taking some sort of medication that caused him to balloon up, not unlike what happened to Jerry Lewis in recent years?
I thought I remembered Ellison being treated for SOME long-term malady? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.
I don't remember the temporal police in Voyager. I do remember Temporal Investigators Lucsly and Dulmer from DS9, though.
I'm expecting a "logical" explanation for this and am not going to worry about this. I know too little to rant negatively about this film.
Exactly.
I got to tell you, as much as I'm looking forward to this movie, this is the one thing that will kill it for me if it isn't sensible (Trek world sensible, mind you). It can be down and dirty quick, but I hope it doesn't illicit a groan instead of an, "Ah-hah!"
We know he appropriates his own time ship (although I'm having a harder time lately remembering what is rumor and what was confirmed, I think that's true). That would lead me to believe something tips him off in his time after the fact and he springs into action (well as much as an old Vulcan can still "spring").
I've been wondering how do you get a hold of a time ship? Does the Federation build them for just such emergencies? You would think the security around such a ship would be INSANE.
Well, presumably Voyager's Captain Braxton and the 29th Century crew of The Relativity are the half-a-millennium-in-the-future version of the same division of Starfleet as were Scully and...er...that is to say, THOSE two you mentioned.
It was a two-part episode where Braxton accidentally sent Voyager to 1990s Earth and which (among other things) resulted in the EMH's portable emitter, reverse engineered from 29thC tech.
It's the one that makes the most sense, really. The simpler the solution, the better it works, generally speaking.
Still this is something I've wondered about, how Spock would know that changes occur. If Old Spock stayed in the 24th century when Nero departed, then his memories would've changed to conform to the new reality, based on whatever changes were made in the past.
I agree.
I wonder where the idea Spocks ship is a"timeship" came from; fan-sumption, or did JJ actually say that?
I wonder where the idea Spocks ship is a"timeship" came from; fan-sumption, or did JJ actually say that?
This article from May 27 is the earliest mention of Spock's timeship that I can recall. It's also where we heard about Nero's ship and the Kelvin.
Well that clears that up. I'll carry over the relevant paragraph from the link to here, in a spoiler, if that's ok.
I don't recall any previous canonical mention of Vulcan's building time ships, anyone current on novels know something we do not...?
I believe Spock simply following Nero back is probably the safest way to play it. Perhaps Nero makes the mistake of shooting off his mouth about the plan and word gets back to Spock.
you really didn't pay attention during that episode did ya.... that's ok.... go watch it again.... we'll wait.... didn't you see "year of hell" behind temporal shielding they would be immune to any time line changes....
you were not really a voyager fan were ya.... and obviously missed the several references of the temporal police from the 29th century....
go ahead.... download them... rent them... watch them... we'll wait for your more informed comments...
Because the original cast grew Old and began to Die.
Well, that's how they explained themselves in "Assignment: Earth." Anything they did was how it was supposed to be, because their record tapes said so.
Well, presumably Voyager's Captain Braxton and the 29th Century crew of The Relativity are the half-a-millennium-in-the-future version of the same division of Starfleet as were Scully and...er...that is to say, THOSE two you mentioned.
It was a two-part episode where Braxton accidentally sent Voyager to 1990s Earth and which (among other things) resulted in the EMH's portable emitter, reverse engineered from 29thC tech.
and during these episodes we find out of a whole division of people behind temporal shielding recording time with the specific directive of keeping the time line and or lines correct....
I don't know the novels, but I have no recollection of any mention of Vulcan timeships in on-screen Trek. This page seems to confirm that.
Memory Beta gives these entries, none Vulcan:
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Phoenix_(timeship)
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Aeon_(Epoch_class) (apparently the same one seen in VOY "Future's End")
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperion_class
It would seem there has been no need for Vulcans to be seen to have or to construct timeships until now. Anyone more familiar with off-screen Trek than I (which should be practically anyone) feel free to add to/comment on this.
My theory:
Spock came back with the Romulans, at the same time. Thus, he is from the same timeline as the Romulans, and thus unaltered.
Spock came back with the Romulans, at the same time. Thus, he is from the same timeline as the Romulans, and thus unaltered.
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