Saving Mohinder - Heroes!

[Hermiod]

That's ironic because I think of all the main characters, Noah is the one it makes the most story-sense to kill off, not now but pretty soon. His role is just to be Claire's dad. When Claire grows up (or maybe I should say IF she grows up! ), Noah has no further use in the story.

Given the dumb, season one Buffy way she's been acting and the slow manner in which "in-universe" time moves in this show, that's Chapter Fifty Eight then. (Where Hiro goes to the future and discovers the world is going to end and then travels back in time to stop it)

Personally, I think Hiro is the most useless character-wise. Poor Mo actually has a use in the story as the scientist who is trying to figure out a way out of the whole mess. Trouble is, he seems intent on making the mess even worse.

Hiro is a plot device. He is there to make the plot move - either by accident (season one), because of his romaticised obsession with the stories he heard as a child (season two) or because he was bored (season three).

Peter is Luke Skywalker. which makes him arguably the most important character. He's certainly more interesting/less annoying than the other Luke Skywalker in the story, Hiro, who the writers have no clue what to do with and therefore should just kill kill KILL HIM ALREADY!

Hiro and Peter do have something in common - the writers keep crippling them to suit the story. Peter, however, is just useless now. Hiro, on the other hand, what would a ten-year-old with superpowers who loves comcs do if he found out the world was going to end ?

Claire is Peter's sidekick. I have no idea what that girl thinks she's doing, but I guess she has something to prove. At least she isn't stagnating but the more she progresses towards adulthood, the faster the clock is ticking for Noah...

Peter is Alfred, he's Jarvis, Gwen Stacy, Foggy Nelson, Ben Urich and so many other background characters now.

Actually, to use your analogy - he's gone from being Luke Skywalker to being C-3PO.

 

[stj]

None of the characters played by good actors should be dumped. That saves Bennet, Nathan, Angela, Matt, Gabriel and Ando. Ando should be kept ordinary because they need ordinary people on the show. Good Bennet is useless. Evil Bennet who is some Nazi-like exterminator of mutants who makes an exception for Claire because he may be evil but he still loves his family, is an interesting character who gives Claire something real to angst over. Good Gabriel struggling with mentall illness is also interesting, like Nikki/Jessica was supposed to be.

Mohinder isn't played by one of the show's outstanding actors. I would hesitate to put him in the same category as Hayden Panettierre or Milo Ventimiglia, though that may be damning with faint praise. But they should stick with the magic blood that saves mutants if they want to keep the character around. Enemies would have a reason not to kill him then. Since turning him good again seems so far fetched, they should make him a villain. A good guy turned bad for real and for permanent would be such a novelty.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Hiro, on the other hand, what would a ten-year-old with superpowers who loves comcs do if he found out the world was going to end ?

Wow, that just fails to interest me in any way whatsoever.

Watching a grown man behaving like a child is cringe-inducing and makes me feel sorry for the actor. Ugh. Just no. Masi Oka should realize how poorly he's being served by this show and just quit. Where the hell is his agent, who should be telling him that round about now? This nonsense has gotten to the point where it's undermining his value as an actor in other contexts and threatening his career. Instead of "that cool guy from the cool show" he's "that dumb character from that show that's going down the toilet."

Peter's use in the plot is simply that he is a Petrelli and the show has turned into The Petrelli Family Circus. So he's the Luke Skywalker analog that should stick around. This show never needed two of them, so Peter and Hiro have always been redundant.

Peter is Alfred, he's Jarvis, Gwen Stacy, Foggy Nelson, Ben Urich and so many other background characters now.

Actually, to use your analogy - he's gone from being Luke Skywalker to being C-3PO.

No he's not. He's still the star of his own plotline, not the adjuct to anyone else's.

Mohinder isn't played by one of the show's outstanding actors. I would hesitate to put him in the same category as Hayden Panettierre or Milo Ventimiglia, though that may be damning with faint praise. But they should stick with the magic blood that saves mutants if they want to keep the character around.

Mo should go back to trying to save the metahumans by removing or suppressing their powers. The powers go bad so often that it should have been obvious to him by now that there's no sane reason to spread them among the population.

And all three of those folks will survive because they are Too Pretty To Kill.

 

[Hermiod]

Wow, that just fails to interest me in any way whatsoever.

Watching a grown man behaving like a child is cringe-inducing and makes me feel sorry for the actor. Ugh. Just no. Masi Oka should realize how poorly he's being served by this show and just quit. Where the hell is his agent, who should be telling him that round about now?

So, you agree that crippling a powerful character is a mistake then ? Finally!

Peter's use in the plot is simply that he is a Petrelli and the show has turned into The Petrelli Family Circus. So he's the Luke Skywalker analog that should stick around. This show never needed two of them, so Peter and Hiro have always been redundant.

You only need two brothers and conveniently they just added a new one.

And all three of those folks will survive because they are Too Pretty To Kill.

Didn't save Dania Ramirez, she was the best looking person on the show but while they may not have killed her off, she's not in the show anymore.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Stop replying before I have a chance to finish my original diatribe!

Personally, I think Hiro is the most useless character-wise.

I would vote for Nathan, actually. Most of the time this season he's been introducing Tracey to people and then explaining her power to them.

Nathan has got a role in the story going forward: he's the politician/leader who can lead the 'good mutant team' whenever they get around to having a good mutant tea. The writers are just taking their own sweet time in getting around to this, but at a certain point, they will need a character to fill this role and Nathan is the obvious choice.

Nathan, as the favorite son, is Arthur's true successor, but he's a better person. In parallel, Gabriel is the obvious successor for the bad team. Peter can remain in his Luke Skywalker role and the Petrelli Family Circus will continue.

So, you agree that crippling a powerful character is a mistake then ?

Crippling is ok if it makes the character more interesting. Peter without powers has to use his brains and that's better than dumb, superpowered Peter. But Hiro's credibility has been crippled by turning him into a child - well, he's always been a child, but now it's grostesquely literal - and crippling a characters credibility is never good, which is why it's different from crippling their power (ability to do things in the story) which can be put to good use because drama is all about characters overcoming obstacles.

If characters are weak, the obstacles are just that much bigger, and that's ok. But they must have credibility so that we will respect them as characters while we watch their struggles, and that is the crucial element that Hiro has lost.

You only need two brothers and conveniently they just added a new one.

Three brothers, two parents and a neice at last count. The more acrobats in the circus, the better.

 

[Hermiod]

Stop replying before I have a chance to finish my original diatribe!

I type fast, that's my power. Only slightly more useful than toaster melting guy, but whatever.

Crippling is ok if it makes the character more interesting. Peter without powers has to use his brains and that's better than dumb, superpowered Peter.

If it was like Buffy's "Helpless" where he lost his powers for one episode and learned to be a better hero because of it, then fine.

However, what we've gotten instead is them writing an overpowered character, invented stupid reasons why he can't just solve the problems he comes up against and then, when they got to a point where they couldn't think of a new way to hobble him they just take his powers away permanently.

We'll get some bulls*** new version of Peter with some lame power instead, ignoring the reason why his ability to absorb other people's powers made sense for him as a character. I think I'm going to start calling him Anna Marie.

But Hiro's credibility has been crippled by turning him into a child - well, he's always been a child, but now it's grostesquely literal - and crippling a characters credibility is never good, which is why it's different from crippling their power to do things in the story, which can be put to good use.

Not when they do it every three episodes.

Three brothers, two parents and a neice at last count. The more acrobats in the circus, the better.

You only need two brothers. The parents are far more interesting than any of their kids and the niece has been useless since "Homecoming".

 

[stj]

Well, as far as motivating Mohinder, adding powers is more like doing science---what will happen? And since powers go bad in this show, that makes Mohinder a villain. What keeps Mohinder from getting whacked by another villain? It can't be his brains, since nothing he does works well. I still think the magic blood would save his incompetent ass.

Too Pretty to Kill? There's a lot of sense to that, but Heroes doesn't handle race well. They could only give Mohinder a sexual relationship with Maya, who was another off-white character. So, romantic relationships aren't going to save the character. Ramamurthy should probably worry about his job.

 

[DarthPipes]

Nathan has got a role in the story going forward: he's the politician/leader who can lead the 'good mutant team' whenever they get around to having a good mutant tea. The writers are just taking their own sweet time in getting around to this, but at a certain point, they will need a character to fill this role and Nathan is the obvious choice.

Nathan is a great character but he's been underutilzed since Season 1. They don't have him doing anything other than standing around with a concerned, indecisive look. Seriously, this is what the character has been doing by-and-large since Season 1. He's got the most potential out of any character. But he's a politician who doesn't do any politicking...like the "heroes" on this show are heroes who don't do anything heroic. Just run around, doing stupid things and chasing conspiracies.

Hiro...I like Hiro. I don't mind him being comic relief but he should have gained a little more seriousness after the events of Season 2. The horrible Japan storyline and then his causing all the problems he started in Season 3 because he is so selfish that he views being a hero as more important than keeping the world safe. The character has more potential and is being wasted with stupidity.

Samauri Hiro has a cool look but let's been completely honest...Samauri Hiro is boring as hell personality wise. Hiro should become a little more serious but still keep a comic edge. I think show's like this can take themselves way too seriously and suck all the joy out of their program. Just look at the recent Bond film.

Back to Boohinder...if they don't kill him off (the producers don't have the guts to kill anyone off) then they should make him a villain and give him a recurring role.