ST-One
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Given the big similarities between the new movie-Enterprise and the Koernerprise, I don't understand you POV.
Why not just use the pilot design?
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Given the big similarities between the new movie-Enterprise and the Koernerprise, I don't understand you POV.
Uhhh...did you mean to post an image of the Hallmark ornament? Your photo of the Enterprise looks so much more spectacular than this one.
I did not mean to post this photo, I meant to post exactly what I posted.
And while I have this ornament the one I was looking at that spawned this thread is the one released a couple years back.
THIS ONE.
Indeed. If "Joe on the street" recognizes the original Enterprise, he'll recognize the new Enterprise.
"Flying saucer with a thing underneath with two glowing things on sticks" is how most people will see it. They don't give two sloppy shits if the saucer is bigger or if the pylons are slightly curved or if the warp engines are a little closer.
"Flying saucer with a thing underneath with two glowing things on sticks" is how most people will see it. They don't give two sloppy shits if the saucer is bigger or if the pylons are slightly curved or if the warp engines are a little closer.
I don't see all that many similarities.
The secondary hull alone is drasticly different.
Considering the two are virtually identical aside from a couple details I think I get a pass on it.
ST-One
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Yes, I noticed that too.
Whenever some of the purists now post a picture of the 'real' Enterprise, it more often than not is one of the (childhood-raping) TOS-R images.
I don't think the new design is a major change. The way you're talking you'd think they painted the ship pink and added 6 nacelles. It's tweaked a bit, but probably 85-90% identical to the ship you wanted to see. I just don't get the beef here. It's the same look, just slightly different.
Most purist would disagree.
Me, I don't really care as I very much like Ryan Church's new Enterprise design.
The nacelle pylons are much further up and back on the secondary hull which itself has an intercut that goes further back on the ship, the neck attatches much further back on the secondary hull, the nacelles are very different themselves, I mean the list goes on.
It's got *some* grace and "beauty" to it. But it's not the Enterprise.
Ask some people on the street and I bet the majority will tell you that it is the Enterprise.
By drastically, do we mean that the underside aft is curved more? Because, frankly, your average viewer isn't going to notice. Heck, I barely noticed. I'm even more astounded that they decided to keep the exposed-radar-dish-as-deflector-dish idea, when it had been missing from most Enterprises since 1978.
Tell you what
When Paramount pays 150 million dollars to make a movie and they'd rather not use a VERY OLD design, it's their money.
I tend to agree with them.
This has to look NEW or it will NOT get the general movie going public to want to see it.
I'm sure it will look spectacular. And NOT exactly the same as a 42 year old tv show. Which is a good thing, you know.
When Paramount pays 150 million dollars to make a movie and they'd rather not use a VERY OLD design, it's their money.
I tend to agree with them.
This has to look NEW or it will NOT get the general movie going public to want to see it.
I'm sure it will look spectacular. And NOT exactly the same as a 42 year old tv show. Which is a good thing, you know.
You realize none of that matters at all. The ship is clearly recognizable as the Enterprise.
Actually, it is the Enterprise. Many designs have carried that name, this is simply one more. And truth to tell, it looks a lot closer to the original Enterprise than any of the others.
I love the original Enterprise design - both versions. It would've been great to see a slightly more detailed version on screen. Its both functional and elegant. I understand why they changed it, though, and while I have issues with the new ship - mostly centering around the shape of the secondary hull and dorsal - I think its an attractive design from many angles. I'm content. Not ecstatic, but content.
This is the pilot Enterprise:
I like how it's shiny yet devoid of detail. That should translate well to the big screen.
Piece of shit, eh? My, aren't we the eloquent one. How about, 'from the little I've seen of the new design I like the old one better'? No, I guess you're a 'piece of shit' kinda guy.
Thanks for classing up the forum.
Show the people on the street a frisbiee with two paper-towel tubes tied to it and they'll call it the Enterprise.
I don't care what the people on the street think.
This is the pilot Enterprise:
I like how it's shiny yet devoid of detail. That should translate well to the big screen.
You're judging it on 1960s model making a model filming techniques. Take the same basic design, run it past some talented CG artists with multi-million dollar budgets and the same design could've been awe inspring.
It could've had more details to it, more realistic lighting and texturing, etc, etc, etc.
Don't judge the design of the ship on 40+ year old filming techniques. Aside from the thing having chrome fenders on it I don't see how a design can look dated and looking dated (to us) or not it's the design established for the time period.
The Abrahmsprise doesn't fit the design lineage and it makes zero sense to me to change the design at all when this classic beauty could've been tweaked just a little bit and made gorgeous on the big screen. I mean, really, it could've been just tear to your eye wonderful.
Think of it just a moment, and I guess I'm talking mostly to people who're fans of TOS, how GREAT it would've been to a greatly rendered Classic Enterprise on the big screen.
Frankly I think this design lacks inspiration and creativity. Because TPTB looked at the Enterprise TOS and said, "Ugh. Looks too dated. We need something nifty and cool to sell the public!" and they came up with this. Rather than trying to think of ways to take the established design and make very minor changes to it and the texture to make it look great on the big screen.
This design is OK, I don't really hate it it just doesn't inspiring anything in me and doesn't make me feel like it is the Enterprise.
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