San Francisco or Iowa?

[EJD1984]

I think that when we first see Kirk on the motorcycle, he's leaving Iowa heading to San Francisco.

Then when we see him driving up to see the Enterprise, it's just after the bar fight in San Francisco (look at his banged up face). The Enterprise is being built somewhere on the outskirts of San Fransisco.

*When Phase II / TMP was being developed, there was a scene planned where the Enterprise was refitted on earth around San Francisco - in a cave like dry dock (cliff side) overlooking the ocean near the Golden Gate bridge. It would have been a dramatic launch effect, but the SFX was deemed too expensive. This scenario could have been somewhat revived (and revised) for the new movie.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

Actually in "Friendship One" we learn that Earth has used MAMR generators since after the First Contact event for plantary power generation, even sending the schematics of the system and plans for building the generators to other species.

"Paradise Lost" in DS9 mentions a network of planetary generators presumed to be MAMR that would be the logical growth of the original network.

Okaaay, but where do they get their supply of anti-matter from if not from photon-energized generators deployed into grazing orbits around their respective stellar primaries?

Lets not forget the novel also had the Federation mass delete all of its stored data everywhere for little or no reason to stop V'ger getting it...

Could you give me the page number and edition where that is described? I honestly don't recall any such event occurring in the novelization.

...as well as a dozen or more equally ridiculous things Roddenberry thought would be cool.

Do tell.

TGT

 

[scotthm]

If I'm not mistaken, this was actually filmed in California, and besides, I don't see the Enterprise in that picture.

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[JoeZhang]

Russia.


Wait for the chekov quote that everything was discovered/invented in russia. The first of many history lessons, just to piss Kirk off.



[jack oneill] The Russians have an Enterprise?[/jack oneill]

It's interesting - Yelchin was born in Russia and although he was raised in the USA, speaks the language. He didn't want to do that swopping of the Ps and Ws because he says that's a polish thing but the director said people would expect it...

 

[Danoz]

Do you think the starship construction scene in the trailer takes place in Iowa (as some have surmised, based on the location of the bar fight) or in San Francisco?

My bet is its in SF. I don't think Abrams and crew would make that big and pointless of a change. Also, Abrams said in his recent trailer overview that some of the young Kirk stuff took place in Iowa, and some in San Francisco. If not the construction scene, what else COULD have taken place in SF?

Iowa.

That was country land. Either that or they built it about 30-40 miles outside SF, but even then for there to be that much open country space, I'm betting on Iowa.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

"...we then see Kirk riding his motorcycle to the "Riverside Shipyards" in Iowa to board the shuttle for the Academy."

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/20/anthonys-thoughts-on-the-la-star-trek-movie-presentation/

If that's true, then maybe the ship under construction is not the Enterprise.

Interesting. And we know it's the Enterprise because Abrams said that's what Pike was looking at in the trailer review.

 

[Franklin]

What kind of government would permit the construction of an anti-matter powered spacecraft within five hundred miles of a metropolitan center?

Let 'em fry a few cows. Barbeque, yum.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, they really don't do any BBQ in Iowa. And it'd be pigs as likely as cows. Now, Iowa smoked pork chops. Oh yeah! (See, you've violated Iowa canon. And I've come down on you. )

It's just so funny how people can't get their heads around the idea that company's have branches. It may say "San Francisco Shipyards" on the plaque, but that could literally mean anything. Components could've been built in the urban Bay Area, then sent out to Iowa for final assembly. When Airbus makes a plane, technically, where was that plane built considering components come from several countries? When Boeing builds a plane, there's a final assembly place, but parts of that plane are built all over the U.S.

Pike and the cadets are there to check out the construction. Or, Starfleet has a midwest campus in Iowa. Maybe special program classes are taught there. (Again, God forbid a university has branch campuses.)

There are logical explanations for all this that don't violate canon. The canon police aren't needed for this one. Don't distract them. Let them focus laser-like on Uhura's Cardassian-named drink order.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I agree with some above (such as scotthm and EDJ1984) who say that Kirk's motorcycle trip starts in Iowa, but that doesn't mean it ends in Iowa.

When we see Kirk on the bike looking at the ship under construction, we don't see cornfields and we don't see those shadowing buildings on the horizon -- that particular part of that scene could very well be San Francisco.

...Another possibility is that those are two entirely different scenes altogether...the time that he is sitting on the bike looking at the ship being constructed not part of the same scene of him riding through the cornfields.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

Well if you believe the new L.A. report on trekmovie, than Kirk is in Iowa when he's looking at the Enterprise. He then takes a shuttle to SF where the Academy is.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

When Phase II / TMP was being developed, there was a scene planned where the Enterprise was refitted on earth around San Francisco - in a cave like dry dock (cliff side) overlooking the ocean near the Golden Gate bridge. It would have been a dramatic launch effect, but the SFX was deemed too expensive. This scenario could have been somewhat revived (and revised) for the new movie.

I think you have confused the asteroid docking scene designed by Ralph McQuarrie for Phil Kaufman's unproduced Star Trek film, Planet of the Titans, with Phase II.

TGT

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, the ship is being constructed at the "Riverside Yards."

 

[JuanBolio]

Yeah, the ship is being constructed at the "Riverside Yards."

Okay, but are we sure that's the Enterprise?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Actually, no we're not. That said, I can't recall any Trek producer since TOS went off the air who has been willing to represent another starship as being identical to the Enterprise - maybe one episode of TNG or "Enterprise," never in a big film. Diminishes the thing's "hero space" too much.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

well, unless san francisco becomes more conservative in the future, i don't see any major military operations opening up there (starfleet or otherwise)

they don't even allow naval vessels in their harbour!

 

[M'Sharak]

well, unless san francisco becomes more conservative in the future, i don't see any major military operations opening up there (starfleet or otherwise)

they don't even allow naval vessels in their harbour!

Not even for Fleet Week?

 

[davejames]

Iowa.

That was country land. Either that or they built it about 30-40 miles outside SF, but even then for there to be that much open country space, I'm betting on Iowa.

Agreed. SF is nothing but hills and buildings. I don't know where they'd find the ROOM for a ship that big!

Frankly I couldn't care less where the Enterprise is built. I'm a Californian myself, but I've always thought the idea of Starfleet being centered in San Francisco of all places as kind of silly. It's a cool place, but a little hard to take all that seriously. It doesn't have nearly the weight or importance of a NY or DC.

 

[JuanBolio]

Iowa.

That was country land. Either that or they built it about 30-40 miles outside SF, but even then for there to be that much open country space, I'm betting on Iowa.

Agreed. SF is nothing but hills and buildings. I don't know where they'd find the ROOM for a ship that big!

Frankly I couldn't care less where the Enterprise is built. I'm a Californian myself, but I've always thought the idea of Starfleet being centered in San Francisco of all places as kind of silly. It's a cool place, but a little hard to take all that seriously. It doesn't have nearly the weight or importance of a NY or DC.

New York and DC might've been taken out during WWIII. Check out this link: http://uk.geocities.com/alan.baker32@btinternet.com/xcv.htm

Gives some speculative history on why SF was chosen, as well as when Starfleet adopted a Naval tradition.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

Yeah, the ship is being constructed at the "Riverside Yards."

Okay, but are we sure that's the Enterprise?

According to Trekmovie it is the Enterprise and it is in Iowa.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/19/trekmovie-star-trek-trailer-analysis/

 

[JuanBolio]

Yeah, the ship is being constructed at the "Riverside Yards."

Okay, but are we sure that's the Enterprise?

According to Trekmovie it is the Enterprise and it is in Iowa.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/19/trekmovie-star-trek-trailer-analysis/

Okay, but how do they know?

 

[datas_cat_spot]

Okay, but are we sure that's the Enterprise?

According to Trekmovie it is the Enterprise and it is in Iowa.

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/19/trekmovie-star-trek-trailer-analysis/

Okay, but how do they know?

http://www.empireonline.com/features/jj-abrams-talks-star-trek-trailer/6.asp