Nero and Vulcan (speculation) (spoilers, too)

[NCC-1967]

So the climax of the movie will be Nero's attack on Vulcan.
That got me thinking...
I always assumed that Nero's target was Kirk, hence the attack on the Kelvin in the movie's first scene.
But what if he is after Spock? Or maybe both?
Just a theory:
In the 24th century, Ambassador Spock's efforts succeed and a peace treaty is signed between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire. Nero's gang isn't happy with it and so they decide to eliminate that pointy-eared nuisance...
You see, we know the Enterprise is sent to save Vulcan, but we don't know in wich time frame this will happen.
Maybe Nero is trying to kill Spock's parents before he is born (explaining why Young Spock is so eager in saving them, having been tipped by his older self), just like he tried to do with Kirk's parents, and the Enterprise must time-travel to save the universe (there's always a friendly star nearby around wich you can slingshot...).
In Vulcan, our beloved hazel-eyed, sorry blue-eyed hero saves the planet and in doing so becomes the hero of the galaxy, becomes Star Fleet's youngest captain and... gets a new best friend (he probably gets lots of girls too...)!

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: Nero and Vulcan (speculation)

Nero attacks Vulcan? Sweet, I can't wait to see the Space Octopus land atop Mount Selaya!

 

[Kpnuts]

Re: Nero and Vulcan (speculation)

Nero attacks Vulcan? Cool! Sounds like a great climax to the film

 

[NCC-1967]

Sorry for not including the "spoilers" bit in the title thread! I assumed everybody knew this from Empire...

Abrams: “The last scene is a scene earlier in the movie. The tether that comes down from Nero’s space ship drills into the planet and a bomb gets dropped into the planet to destroy it. This is a sequence where the good guys are space jumping down onto the drill to destroy it.”

Transporters are being jammed and so three crew members are instructed by Pike to jump from a shuttle and freefall to the platform. Kirk, Sulu and… Engineer Olsen are ordered to go. You can see where this is going, can’t you? Pike will pilot the shuttle and leaves Spock in command of the Enterprise, Kirk is shockingly promoted to first officer amid much protestation from the Vulcan.

Spock: “Captain, please, I apologise. The complexities of human pranks escape me.”
Pike: “It’s not a prank Spock, and I’m not the captain. You are.”

The three jumpers suit up in armoured suits before loading onto the chuttle.

Cut to: Bones amid a devastated sick bay, who is promoted to chief medical officer after his superior is killed in the attack.

Cut to: the shuttle.

Kirk to Engineer Olsen “You’ve got the charges?”
Olsen ( who is English): “Oh yeah, I can’t wait to kick some Roluman arse.” The man's even wearing a red shirt for God's sake!. You can all but see death leaning over his shoulder.

The shuttle departs and the three are jostled around in their seats.

Kirk to Sulu: “What kind of combat training do you have?”
Sulu: “Fencing.”

The three jump from the shuttle, being reminded that they can’t be beamed back until the drill is shut down. We see the three bodies free-falling through the atmosphere towards the platform, the huge drill arm flying past them as they plummet towards their destination. As they reach a certain height, Sulu and Kirk hit their chutes but Olsen decides to get in closer. He finally pulls the cord but it’s too late, he bounces off the platform, slides over the edge and is swung straight into the drilling beam and disintegrated.

Kirk hits the platform and nearly meets the same end before hitting a button on his harness. Instead of ejecting, the chute is sucked back into the pack on his back. Several Romulans emerge from hatches on the platform and a melee ensues, Kirk using his helmet as a makeshift bludgeon to keep them at bay.

Sulu is the next to land but his chute becomes caught and he can’t get free. He pulls out a steel handle, which extends into a katana blade. He cuts himself free and enters the fray. Far from the Sulu we remember, John Cho’s character is a fighter and lays into the Romulans, flourishing his blade and executing a series of kicks and somersaults.

Kirk isn’t faring so well and is hanging on to the edge of the platform while a Romulan tries to kick him off. Dispatching his own assailant by pushing him into a gout of flame, Sulu impales Kirk’s attacker and pulls him back onto the platform. That old bar room brawl has now definitively been put behind them.

Exclaiming that Olsen had the charges, Kirk picks up a discarded Romulan disruptor rifle and begins to unload it into the drill until the machine shudders to a standstill.

Cut to: Nero, seeing the drill has stopped, nevertheless orders the “red matter” dropped into the hole.

Cut to: The Enterprise. Chekov reports that nero is creating a singularity – a black hole – in the heart of Vulcan, which will destroy the planet. Spock jumps up and orders a planetwide evacuation before heading to the turbolift. The Vulcan council, including his parents, must be saved and Spock is going to get them.

Cut to: The platform, Sulu is swept over the edge and Kirk jumps after them. The Enterprise cannot lock onto the pair as they plummet towards the surface. On board the Enterprise, Chekov runs down to the transporter room and struggles to get a lock. Unsurprisingly he manages it with mere nanoseconds to spare, the pair dematerialising metres from the ground and appearing in a heap on the transporter room floor.

Sulu: “Thanks.”
Kirk: “No problem.”


Hmmm, I've just noticed JJ says this happens "early in the movie". There goes my theory...

 

[The Wormhole]

Sorry for not including the "spoilers" bit in the title thread! I assumed everybody knew this from Empire...

Nah, I only read the Empire spoilers to the point where they mention Uhura drinking kanar, and I lost it over such a blatant disregard for continuity and canon.

 

[Kpnuts]

Wow that sounds amazing!!!

Oh but hang on, Uhura drinks kanar so clearly the movie is going to be shockingly bad, and we should all boycott it

Canon fanboys make me laugh

 

[JuanBolio]

I don't think the attack on Vulcan is the climax. It seems to be the reason Kirk and the others ship out from Earth in the first place.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Wasn't sure where to place this thought: The trailer left me with the impression that Nero is some kind of convict, the very last frame we see of him in the trailer screams prison! Not sure why...

Sharr

 

[Kpnuts]

Any guesses what the climax of the film will be then?

I assume a Kirk v Nero face off of some kind? On a ship? On a planet? With a big spacebattle happening above them?

 

[The Wormhole]

Any guesses what the climax of the film will be then?

I assume a Kirk v Nero face off of some kind? On a ship? On a planet? With a big spacebattle happening above them?

The climax must involve the Space Octopus. On this point there can be no arguing.

 

[Kpnuts]

Is that Nero's ship? Guess that's probably a given.

Shame, the Vulcan scene above sounds fantastic, but hopefully the real finale will be even better

 

[sithlord]

Not sure if this has been brought up or not, but Ive got the feeling Nero's going to be successful in blowing up Vulcan. And we've known about it for over a year now.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33832

August of last year, Moriarty at AICN wrote an article concerning the new Trek movie and how it would be an alternate time line. One passage, especially in light of the scene descriptions, lends some credence to just how different this new timeline will be...

Picture an incident that throws a group of Romulans back in time. Picture that group of Romulans figuring out where they are in the timeline, then deciding to take advantage of the accident to kill someone’s father, to erase them from the timeline before they exist, thereby changing all of the TREK universe as a result. Who would you erase? Whose erasure would leave the biggest hole in the TREK universe is the question you should be asking.
Who else, of course, but James T. Kirk?
If Spock were in a position to change that incident back, and then in a position to guard that timeline and make sure things happen the way they’re supposed to, it creates...
... well, what does it create? Because evidently the plan is to use this second timeline as a way of rebooting without erasing or ignoring canon. These new voyages of the ENTERPRISE, they’re taking place in whatever timeline starts with this story. Maybe this timeline features dramatic differences. Like... say... if Vulcan were to be blown up. If the Vulcans in the series were suddenly the last of their kind, alone in the universe, it would change who they are and maybe even redefine their strict rejection of emotion in favor of logic.

All bets are off with how much this film respects canon or not. Nero and company will devastate canon while Old Spock tries to piece it together into something that resembles what we're used too, but is fundamentally changed.

Personally, if its a good movie, I'll enjoy it. But this isn't a prequel anymore. It's a reboot, pure and simple. Forget trying to reconcile it with the last 40 years. From this point forward, NONE of the star trek we know "happens."

 

[gastrof]

If they destroy Vulcan in this film before Amok Time can take place, I'm gonna be really ticked.

Really.

No joke.

 

[gastrof]

...Forget trying to reconcile it with the last 40 years. From this point forward, NONE of the star trek we know "happens."

Wait until you see how much actually has been changed at the end.

It might still leave enough in place to lead into TNG, etc.

I'm hopeful. Wait and see.

 

[JuanBolio]

But this isn't a prequel anymore.

I've never heard it referred to as such by any official source.

 

[Captain Fine]

As cool and different as it might be, I don't want to see Vulcan blowed up good.

 

[The Emissary]

Interesting stuff...

I honestly hope they don't blow up Vulcan. That's...bit much for people claiming they won't hurt continuity too much. haha.

Also, why is Uhura drinking Kanar a canon violation?

 

[JuanBolio]

Also, why is Uhura drinking Kanar a canon violation?

It isn't. Some people just think that because the Cardassians didn't show up on screen until TNG means that Cardassian beverages couldn't have made their way through the trade lanes to Earth a century earlier.

 

[Peacemaker]

I'll guess that this is sorta like Twlight and E2 in Enterprise with the possibilityh of Vulcan blowing up this time. Imagine if you will the timeline as it ends up if Spock had never gone back...poof Vulcan is gone...but we know Spock has gone back....so, flashforward, and we have Nero and the others trying to do in Kirk and company as they try to get back to their own futures, and dealing blows to the Klingons too. These appearances are their attempts to keep Kirk from becoming what he was and diminishing the power of the Empire - thereby ensuring RSE ascension in the future. This story is more like Year of Hell in Voyager than Trek 4 in nature - or, put another way, it's like the two time related stories in Enterprise.

They do Kirk's dad in on the Kelvin. Had they never intervened, Kirk would not have become self destructive, but he would still have entered Starfleet. In both timelines, though, Pike becomes Kirk's mentor after his Dad dies. This would always have happened. In fact, some of everything we see in the movie up to the point where we meet Old Spock would have always happened anyway.

It's at this most critical point that Old Spock intervenes to keep himself from commanding that mission.

IMO: There is something about Spock commanding the mission to stop Nero from destroying Vulcan that changes the timeline into the one that leads up to Vulcan's eventual destruction. In both timelines, however, history would have unfolded all the way up to a certain point, mostly the way TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and the other movies showed, but perhaps without Vulcan in the one. I say that because there still has to be a reason Nero and his crew go back in time at all; after all, you can only change so much without removing your own reasons for going there. By getting Kirk to challenge Spock so he can gain command of Enterprise, he will avert the destruction of Vulcan, and he will prevent the timeline in which Vulcan is destroyed from happening thereby ensuring the rise of Vulcan ideals among the Romulans, which is actually the timeline we all know from TNG, Unification. In addition, by weaking the Klingons, Kirk, and the Federation would be deprived of some conflicts, conflicts which later served to advance their relationship into the alliance.

In the new timeline, Nero will still go back and make the attempts, and Spock will still go back and ensure that he fails. The alliance wil still happen too. This is sort of like, Enterprise, where the NX01 failed to prevent the Xindi's attack on Earth and failed, once in the past, another time in the future. In one timeline, Archer was able to go back and prevent a whole timeline from happening. In the other, T'Pol and her crew were unable to prevent the first attack but they were able to help Archer so that he could keep the second from happening at all.

So, no, it's a reboot without being one that radically alters the all powerful canon

 

[MattJC]

Pike wasn't Kirk's mentor in the original timeline.
Kirk met Pike when Pike was promoted to fleet captain.