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Replicators... what can't they do?

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We saw onscreen that they could reproduce both organic and inorganic materials. What is their limitations (24th C.) ? Unusual isotopes (deuterium) or elements with larger atomic numbers?

For instance, why didn't Quark just replicate gold and/or gold-pressed latinum?
 
Latinum is impossible to replicate, which is why they use it as money. As for gold he said it was worthless in the episode where Quark gets Morn's fortune, so apparently they have no problems replicating it and is just used to hold the latinum.
 
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I'm thinking materials that are to be used to manipulate sub-atomic forces would be a problem, as those forces would be involved in manipulating quantum or sub-atomic particles into the replicated form. The characteristics that make the materials useful for those purposes would interfere with the forces that allow other materials to be replicated. Thus some of the components vital to the operation of warp engines, warp coils, replicators, transporters and FTL sensors would have to be fabricated using classical techniques like casting, forging, machining or bending. In some cases there might be opportunities to use nanotechnology.
 
Certian toxins cannot be replicated, if I remember correctly in "Deathwish" after the Q helps the suicidal Q kill himself by supplying his with with some poison hemlock, which Tuvok himself stated that Voyagers replicators are not capable of producing.
 
I don't recall anything alive being replicated like living creatures.
Well there was a clone of Riker created during a transporter accident, and I would imagine that transporters and replicators operate in a similar way, so it might be possible to replicate living creatures.

If it is possible to replicate living beings I would imagine it's illegal and safeguards are built into all replicators to prevent it.
 
There is no direct onscreen evidence that something would be unreplicable. There is evidence that starships in certain situations cannot replicate certain things, or things of certain precision, though.

It is only through deduction and speculation that some of us think that gold-pressed latinum might be unreplicable. But no such thing has ever been claimed on screen, and it is difficult to understand how there could exist a problem with replicating that stuff. I mean, it somehow came to be originally, right? And replication is a manufacturing means that can do everything that other means can, and usually more, by definition.

It's like, well, money. All bills can be forged, because all bills were created once. The same method that was used for creating them can be used for forging them - it's just a matter of permission whether the process is considered forging. But most bills are difficult to create, which means that the forgers won't bother. Similarly, GPL could be difficult to replicate, even in tiny amounts, which means that most forgers won't bother. For the effort of replicating a gram of the stuff, one could probably earn a hundred grams by not-so-hard work.

Similar reasons might limit the replication of living beings. We have seen living neural tissue replicated in VOY "Emanations", and almost convincing body remains in TNG "Data's Day". But we have also seen living tissue created through cloning, whenever our heroes or villains can afford to sit and wait at the petri dish. The complexity of replicating living stuff might just not be worth the effort, not if even the Romulan intelligence agency can't afford to do a perfect bioreplication in that TNG episode.

And yes, there seem to be some safeguards in replicators. The Federation-programmed ones won't do certain types of weapon, for example, as we learn in DS9 "Field of Fire". The pattern simply isn't available.

Which probably is the restricting factor in VOY "Death Wish", too - they don't have the pattern for hemlock poison available, and they can't exactly dial the UFP datanets to download it. Our TNG heroes would be less limited in that respect, as they could always download new patterns, and their bigger ship might have more resources for creating new patterns, too.

Still, to reiterate, no episode or movie that has claimed outright that something cannot be replicated would have made this claim in such a watertight manner that we couldn't twist it into "it's merely difficult and not worth the effort". Certainly not every substance materializes within two seconds of pushing the right button.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm not sure how far along in DS9 someone mentions the Gold Pressed bit of GPL, but I could of sworn at somepoint before Quark states "...it's just worthless gold!", that he says something about Gold being very expensive. Anyone remeber that?

Also, I don't like thinking that the transporters are capable of doing most things, because it tends to be that wash-all ending to a story. eg. Picard Dies...replicate another, I know that's a bit extreme, but you get the idea. I think it tends to wreck some perfectly good storys because of it's mere presence. That's why I like the GPL restrictions, it gave it a little bit of grounding in reality.
 
Umm it turns out that you can replicate anything as long as its not needed for the story. Then its un-replicateable. Its very similar to deus-ex-machina
 
It is only through deduction and speculation that some of us think that gold-pressed latinum might be unreplicable. But no such thing has ever been claimed on screen, and it is difficult to understand how there could exist a problem with replicating that stuff. I mean, it somehow came to be originally, right? And replication is a manufacturing means that can do everything that other means can, and usually more, by definition.

Few thoughts:

It may be that latinum requires an amount of power to replicate which is equivalent in cost to the value assigned that amount of latinum by the cultures that trade in it; in fact, it may have this characteristic *by definition* and may not be notable in any other respect.

I think a lot of onscreen references can be taken as support for the idea that dilithium is not replicable in a practical sense. Ditto for antimatter, but that is somewhat easier to understand.

Anything can *be* replicated, but some things will suffer from the errors more than others and hence would become worthless or nearly worthless when replicated in comparison to the real thing.

I don't believe a replicator can create, say, a sarium krellide power cell with a full charge. It might be able to create a cell or battery that you could then charge up, but create it with a charge already? Even if it could, it would be at a net energy loss.

Industrial replicators are probably capable of many things the small shipboard varieties are not, even though the computers working the shipboard process are probably near the top of the line available anywhere. In order to do what they do, industrial replicators may be fed large-scale amounts of raw materials in a much closer state to that which is meant as a final product, meaning that economies of scale and materials availability come into play in a recognizable way.

For example, if the Enterprise needed duranium to repair a hull breach, it may be so inefficient to tell the replicator to rearrange waste material from the crew members into robust duranium that there are few circumstances in which this is worth doing. However, if large-scale replicators at a starship construction facility were fed duranium ore and told to produce half of it as some sort of "sheet" duranium and the other half as extruded duranium foam, that might be well within its capabilities and efficient enough that it has a worthwhile speed and convenience advantage over processing the materials in some less exotic manner.

The replicators are very advanced, but clearly limited in what they can do. The future of the Trek universe certainly looks bright when one imagines the capabilities of future replicators, though!
 
We saw onscreen that they could reproduce both organic and inorganic materials. What is their limitations (24th C.) ? Unusual isotopes (deuterium) or elements with larger atomic numbers?

For instance, why didn't Quark just replicate gold and/or gold-pressed latinum?

Well, replicators can't blend broom handles and CDs. BlendTech still has the tech advantage on the 24th century.
 
They can't create more replicators...

Actually, in one of the books, guys from the future used "industrial replicators," basically large, flexible, rolled-up pads that were spread flat on the ground, to replicate all sorts of things including more industrial replicators.
 
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I don't believe a replicator can create, say, a sarium krellide power cell with a full charge. It might be able to create a cell or battery that you could then charge up, but create it with a charge already? Even if it could, it would be at a net energy loss.

Well, everything the replicator does comes with a net energy loss. People don't replicate stuff in order to produce energy, they replicate it for convenience.

It wouldn't make much sense for the replicator to be unable to create a fully charged phaser. The atomic and subatomic structure of that isn't fundamentally different from a fully drained phaser, after all. The replicator wouldn't care whether it makes cold or hot tea, or an empty or charged battery, when the energies it spends on any of these items are probably orders of magnitude higher than the charge in the battery anyway.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Data said in that episode where the crew goes crazy and they have to disperse hydorgen into an anomaly that they cannot replicate certain complex elements
 
I am pretty sure they can't replicate biomimetic gel (ITPM, others).

They mentioned industrial replicators in "For the Cause" calling them CFI replicators I think... probably Class 4 Industrial.
 
Data said in that episode where the crew goes crazy and they have to disperse hydorgen into an anomaly that they cannot replicate certain complex elements

...But only because the ship was malfunctioning due to lack of fuel. Which sort of establishes that the ship can replicate these "certain heavy elements" in normal circumstances.

I am pretty sure they can't replicate biomimetic gel (ITPM, others).

Or at least the standard food replicators either aren't capable of doing it, aren't capable of doing it in reasonable time or at reasonable expense, or aren't allowed to do it.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Actually, in one of the books, guys from the future used "industrial replicators," basically large, flexible, rolled-up pads that were spread flat on the ground, to replicate all sorts of things including more industrial replicators.

Which book?
 
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