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Will Trek XI repel old fans?

they have no evidence that established trek fandom still represents a source of profit to them as far as films and television are concerned.

You don't consider my 5 bucks important?! Weeell excuse me, Mr. Bigshot.

Your five bucks are important. My eight bucks are important (cost of living around here is hell).

Put yours and mine and all the other dependable we-love-Trek-and-will-turn-out-for-opening-day fans in a big basket and we're worth somewhere in the neighborhood of maybe forty million dollars to the studio. :lol:
 
I understand what you're saying. However, one cannot escapeTrek history now. Too many fans are too invested in it at this point. Change the show dramatically and you may loose a good portion of those fans.
Bollocks. X-Men didn't lose any fans by adding a tall Wolverine to the movies or Batman didn't lose any fans by having Harvey Dent not be created by acid splash.

And whatever JJ and the suits at Paramount like to think, they can't get enough new fans to keep the show going. So, keep it or loose it. You can build on the fanchise, but you simply can't rebuild it.
Christopher Nolan disagrees with you.
 
I understand what you're saying. However, one cannot escapeTrek history now. Too many fans are too invested in it at this point. Change the show dramatically and you may loose a good portion of those fans.
Bollocks. X-Men didn't lose any fans by adding a tall Wolverine to the movies or Batman didn't lose any fans by having Harvey Dent not be created by acid splash.

And whatever JJ and the suits at Paramount like to think, they can't get enough new fans to keep the show going. So, keep it or loose it. You can build on the fanchise, but you simply can't rebuild it.
Christopher Nolan disagrees with you.

And I'll listen to him. The Dark Knight was pure film magic.
 
they have no evidence that established trek fandom still represents a source of profit to them as far as films and television are concerned.

You don't consider my 5 bucks important?! Weeell excuse me, Mr. Bigshot.

Your five bucks are important. My eight bucks are important (cost of living around here is hell).

Put yours and mine and all the other dependable we-love-Trek-and-will-turn-out-for-opening-day fans in a big basket and we're worth somewhere in the neighborhood of maybe forty million dollars to the studio. :lol:

Yay! We payed for part of the ad campaign!
 

Yeah. Right.

If anyone's posting on the wrong forum, I think that avatar of yours says it all, Sparky.

My avatar of Jeff Quinn's Spock? :wtf:
Oh, I thought Zach Quinto was having a bad hair day! :guffaw:
I've decided, I do not like the way Spock's eyebrows are pointed in the pictures we have seen - I am boycotting until someone puts a protractor against Quinto's and Nimoy's head to prove angle of the upsweep is the same as in TOS.
Which Nimoy Spock eyebrows shall we use?
Cage Spock eyebrows?
WNMHGB Spock eyebrows?
Season 3 Spock eyebrows?
Unification Spock eyebrows?
The standards must be exact! If not, how shall we know???
 
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Star Trek is Star Trek because of the history that it has developed over these long decades. Once one begins to mess with that history, the franchise unravels and looses its character. It will stop being Trek. And who really needs more cookie cutter sci fi? I sure don't.

WE HAVE A WINNAH!!
 
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Star Trek is Star Trek because of the history that it has developed over these long decades. Once one begins to mess with that history, the franchise unravels and looses its character. It will stop being Trek. And who really needs more cookie cutter sci fi? I sure don't.

WE HAVE A WINNAH!!

That's what they said about BSG. Looks like they were wrong.

~String
 
Old fan here, Every re-make and or re-boot has had it's naysayers..ranging from TMP and every new movie or show afterwards and here we are again, the same arguments and the same claims repeating.. ("I won't watch it because [Insert perceived evil here]")..folks, TNG WAS a re-imagining, a reboot or what else you want to call it for TREK and it became VERY popular spawning spin-offs galore. Yet, there are still old fans, such as myself, who missed the wonderful sense of ADVENTURE that TOS and the TMP era movies had,something TNG and it's spin-offs never had. Many here wanted a TNG based movie or something even further along that universe. But with TNG Berman based Trek no longer being profitable, the PTB at Paramount were going to close down Trek for good (something other fans here wanted as well) JJ and Co. convinced those PTB that they could make a profitable film with a big budget which meant that they MUST get casual Trek and non-Trek fans interested in it, now "Logically" which films have been the most successful? The ones with Kirk ,Spock and McCoy in them. These films are often now DVDs in the homes of millions of casual-fans and most non-fans are aware of them. With the current trend of re-booting in Hollywoodland, Trek was seen as ripe for the "getting back to the roots" trend we see in Bond, Batman, Superman and other such film franchises (some good, some bad).. As with all Trek released since 1966, (And I was there!!) I will give it a chance, if it's a GOOD MOVIE with a story, characters and effects I can care about, I'll forgive some violations of Treklore. After all, it's only a movie...(For most of us at least) ;)
 
And with age comes inflexibilitiy (inflexibility) ...

Horse shit, pal, horse shit! I am a first generation Trek fan who is very flexible. I welcome Abrams' revitalization of my favorite tv/film franchise, thank you!

In my 48 years I have gathered such wisdom as to allow for flexibility in anything. I have learned to look upon the faces of both sides of the coin.
 
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Star Trek is Star Trek because of the history that it has developed over these long decades. Once one begins to mess with that history, the franchise unravels and looses its character. It will stop being Trek.

I dunno; maybe that's the advantage to having watched "Star Trek" from its inception on NBC: I remember that it in many ways was at its greatest before it was dragging decades of history behind it, when every week was a fresh story containing unexpected elements and really new information about the characters and their histories (and - only parenthetically and in passing - the history and nature of the civilization from which they supposedly sprang).

"Star Trek" was cool before there was such a thing as "Starfleet" or "The Federation," and for many years before there was a name - "trekkie" - for the folks who liked it.

If to get just a little of that back it's necessary for "Star Trek" to "stop being Trek," then as far as I'm concerned it's way past time to get on with that.

I understand what you're saying. However, one cannot escapeTrek history now. Too many fans are too invested in it at this point. Change the show dramatically and you may loose a good portion of those fans.

And whatever JJ and the suits at Paramount like to think, they can't get enough new fans to keep the show going. So, keep it or loose it. You can build on the fanchise, but you simply can't rebuild it.

Trek has become a pop culture institution. You move a few bricks and the building will stand, but if you start messing with its foundation, well then, the whole thing will come tumbling down. Continuity can be adjusted, but we will see how dramatically. I don't think fans will go see a second movie if those changes hit at the core of Trek lore.

At least that's my opinion.
Transformers was a pop culture institution and Orci and Kurtzman wrote a kick ass story which earned them 700 million dollars in the world wide box office. There aren't enough Transformers fans to Justify 700 million dollars.

The same applies to Trek

Here is the gross take
Listed in Date Released, Title, 1st weekend, US gross, World wide gross and the last is budge.
12/7/1979 Star Trek: The Motion Picture $11,926,421 $82,258,456 $139,000,000 $35,000,000
6/4/1982 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan $14,347,221 $79,912,963 $96,800,000 $12,000,000
6/1/1984 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock $16,673,229 $76,471,046 $87,000,000 $18,000,000
11/26/1986 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home $16,881,888 $109,713,132 $133,000,000 $24,000,000
6/9/1989 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier $17,375,648 $52,210,049 $70,200,000 $30,000,000
12/6/1991 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country $18,162,837 $74,888,996 $96,900,000 $27,000,000
11/18/1994 Star Trek: Generations $23,116,394 $75,671,262 $120,000,000 $38,000,000
11/22/1996 Star Trek: First Contact $30,716,131 $92,027,888 $150,000,000 $46,000,000
12/11/1998 Star Trek: Insurrection $22,052,836 $70,187,658 $117,800,000 $70,000,000
12/13/2002 Star Trek: Nemesis $18,513,305 $43,254,409 $67,312,826 $60,000,000

So as you can see the series has soley existed on fan support and the most it could make is 150 million For First Contact.. A NEXT GEN MOVE.

What Abrams wants to do is make Trek more accessible, by going back and re-introducing it to a new and wider audiance... What's wrong with trying to earn more fans?
 
And if so, would it be a bad thing?

Of course there will be people who'll dislike it because it's different to their kind of Trek.

Star Trek fans didn't automatically love TNG...

TNG fans didn't like DS9...

DS9 fans didn't like Voyager...

etc.

So in a way, there've been several kinds of reboots for Trek already.

The only bad thing that could come from this is that Trekfans will become even more divided about their likes and dislikes.

Trekfan 1: "Classic TOS !"

Trekfan 2: "No, Nu TOS !"

Both: "GRRR !!!"
 
I just... like all Trek :confused:
Just like every one of us. We just don't have the same definition of what "all Trek" is! :D

Star Trek
Star Trek: The Animated Series
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Star Trek: Voyager
Star Trek: Enterprise

Star Trek The Motion Picture
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: First Contact
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek

Also known as... all of Star Trek. :rolleyes:

It's just more fun this way. ;)
 
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