Help me prove Star Trek is Superior to Star Wars

[unimatrix7]

The dialogue in Episode II is proof enough. It's so awful and clunky it could make you cry.

Oh, IMHO, the Ep II dialogue was fine....

The Ep III dialogue, however....

Anakin, just after he decapitates Dooku: "It's not the Jedi way."

Padme: "Oh, Anakin, hold me like you did on Naboo...."

Sidious, while zapping Windu: "POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWERRRRRRR!!! UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!"

Padme: "Oh, Annie, your breaking my heart!"

Just to name a few.

But the lamest line in ALL SIX FILMS is Anakin's last words to Obi-Wan, just before he gets burned to a crisp:

"I HATE YOU!"

Oh, please....

You forgot my favourite:

Annakin: You're....so beautiful!

Padme: Only because I'm so in love!

Annakin: No, it's only because I'm so in love with you!

 

[bintak]

I don't know which is better, but as what I could call a valid measure of analysis, which one has the more original ideas?

Lucas ripped off John Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces two hundred ways from Sunday, and cycled through every tired religion myth in that book. Follow it in the six movies and you can almost check each tired myth off.

Roddenberry started out with Forbidden Planet as an inspiration and Star Trek went tearing off to INVENT a new mythology for itself.

Prime Directive is seen where? Cultural contamination is addressed where?
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As for our worst cultural icons to moan over, we do have Janeway and Archer, but so what?

We may have Janeway as some critics complain, but that is the point. We have JANEWAY, an original Aeneas of the stars who may not be great all the time, but she is memorable.

What did Lucas finally produce after he deconstructed Darth Vader; but inspiration for Rick Moranis in Spaceballs, the Movie?

 

[ericmayville]

I can't believe we are so far behind...isn't this a Star Trek forum...shouldn't you at least support it while you are here?

 

[ALF]

What do we get if Star Trek wins?

 

[Jim Steele]

I can't believe we are so far behind...isn't this a Star Trek forum...shouldn't you at least support it while you are here?

It's some random poll on an obscure backwater website. Taking it a little too seriously, perhaps?

 

[Dale]

The proposition doesn't require proving. Star Trek simply is better.

 

[cultcross]

You forgot my favourite:

Annakin: You're....so beautiful!

Padme: Only because I'm so in love!

Annakin: No, it's only because I'm so in love with you!

Indeed, especially since he's basically saying 'you're only pretty cos you're next to me' and it's played as being so sweet.


The thing that annoyed me about Episode III wasn't a line, just a word: younglings. What the heck is wrong with 'children'? 'kids'?

 

[Rush Limborg]

You forgot my favourite:

Annakin: You're....so beautiful!

Padme: Only because I'm so in love!

Annakin: No, it's only because I'm so in love with you!

DANG. Forgot about that.

Y'know, I saw the bonus features on the Ep III DVD, and there was a clip of Lucus calling "cut", and advising Hayden to do a scene "with a little more feeling". (It was the scene where he says, "Something's happening...I'm not the Jedi I should be.... I want more!")

End result? Melodrama--in it's worst possible form.

The thing that annoyed me about Episode III wasn't a line, just a word: younglings. What the heck is wrong with 'children'? 'kids'?

Oh, YEAH! I mean, Yoda sayin' it in Ep II was fine, but Obi-wan? And later Padme?

I tell ya, this one word ruined the drama of a scene: Where Padme confronts Anakin. "Oh, Annie, they said terrible things about you.... They said you killed younglings."

Aw, come on!

I tell ya, Lucas is losing his edge. You would not believe my relief when I learned that he did not do the screenplay for "Indiana Jones 4".

 

[Rush Limborg]

Hey--say what ya like about Voyager, or Enterprise, but at least the dialogue was believable!

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

The thing that annoyed me about Episode III wasn't a line, just a word: younglings. What the heck is wrong with 'children'? 'kids'?

Oh, YEAH! I mean, Yoda sayin' it in Ep II was fine, but Obi-wan? And later Padme?

I tell ya, this one word ruined the drama of a scene: Where Padme confronts Anakin. "Oh, Annie, they said terrible things about you.... They said you killed younglings."

Aw, come on!

I think, officially, "younglings" are distinguished from regular "kids" or "children" because younglings are specifically pre-padawan, chosen for Jedi training with cute lightsabres.

 

[ria 75]

The dialogue in Episode II is proof enough. It's so awful and clunky it could make you cry.

Oh, IMHO, the Ep II dialogue was fine....

The Ep III dialogue, however....

Anakin, just after he decapitates Dooku: "It's not the Jedi way."

Padme: "Oh, Anakin, hold me like you did on Naboo...."

Sidious, while zapping Windu: "POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWERRRRRRR!!! UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!"

Padme: "Oh, Annie, your breaking my heart!"

Just to name a few.

But the lamest line in ALL SIX FILMS is Anakin's last words to Obi-Wan, just before he gets burned to a crisp:

"I HATE YOU!"

Oh, please....

You forgot my favourite:

Annakin: You're....so beautiful!

Padme: Only because I'm so in love!

Annakin: No, it's only because I'm so in love with you!

Not that this dialogue is intricate, but if you guys hate that stuff, why do you know it by heart?

I'm into the pre-revamp old trilogy Star Wars myself, as if my sig wasn't a clue.
The deleted scenes should remain deleted!

I can't believe we are so far behind...isn't this a Star Trek forum...shouldn't you at least support it while you are here?

It's an ecumenist forum. I believe.

 

[cultcross]

Not that this dialogue is intricate, but if you guys hate that stuff, why do you know it by heart?

I've seen Episode III twice, in the cinema and on a DVD (not mine). Most of the shittiest lines have stuck in my head however hard I rinse and repeat.

 

[I am not Spock]

Star Trek has Q, who can vaporise SW from existence at the drop of a hat

Star Trek wins!

 

[Federation Puppet]

Both are great universes with their own meritts. I am a fan either way.

 

[Good Will Riker]

The reason why Star Trek is superior to that of Star Wars is because you can only go so far about a story that centers around the Jedi/Sith and the Force.

Sure, you can do stories on Ewoks and Droids here and there, but the central premise of Star Wars just doesn't have enough creative juice to tell a 700+ episodes & 11 feature film stories like Star Trek can.

Star Wars is very limited, which had to rely more on hype to survive all this time. After the original Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back, this franchise ran out of gas evidenced by the way the Prequel Trilogy turned out as well as the current "The Clone Wars" CGI series which is alreay sputtering right out of the gate...

 

[ria 75]

Not that this dialogue is intricate, but if you guys hate that stuff, why do you know it by heart?

I've seen Episode III twice, in the cinema and on a DVD (not mine). Most of the shittiest lines have stuck in my head however hard I rinse and repeat.

Yes, that happens... unfortunately, it's the worst songs you heard on the radio that stick in your head. I was just teasing you.

cultsacrifice, who is Sam bitchslapping in your avatar?

The reason why Star Trek is superior to that of Star Wars is because you can only go so far about a story that centers around the Jedi/Sith and the Force.

the central premise of Star Wars just doesn't have enough creative juice to tell a 700+ episodes & 11 feature film stories like Star Trek can.

I get what you mean about diversity of storylines and the wide panel of possibilities offered by Star Trek.
And I love a story that never ends, and to have a lot to watch even if it does end, but must quantity always win over quality?

Star Wars should be able to rise from its ashes if it wanted to, with a new generation and a slightly new story, but I bet it would stir an outcry at least as big as Star Trek XI does.
And it has to live up to a certain standard. (Not that it always did. It should never have been opened to the younger audience like it was, for instance.) It's a bigger challenge than to churn out a new Star Trek movie (however good some of them are).
In the future, if Star Trek is to be remembered for one thing, what will it be? One great movie or trilogy they can watch, or "it was the most productive science fiction franchise ever"?

I'm ready.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Both universes have good and bad things about them, but just because basically everyone's at least heard of them and both have "Star" in their name, doesn't mean you can compare them objectively- because I can't, for one.

I am though, mind you, saying this as a fan of both Trek and Wars- and I happen to like the prequel trilogy, for all its flaws. Wars and Trek have their own dynamic and magic, so why do I have to pick which one I prefer? I might be more in the mood for one or the other on different days, but I'm not willing to chose sides here.

 

[ria 75]

^^ Most sensible thing ever said in this thread. ^^

Why take sides? Why should one "win"? Can't we all just... get along?

Coexist.

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[Borg451]

Star Wars has the prequel trilogy.

Star Trek wins.

Star Trek had Enterprise.

The prequels were pretty bad, but they never got quite that bad.

Enterprise is the only good Series now.. all the other ones have faded to shit.