Will Trek XI repel old fans?
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No, Matt -- not right.
No one is saying that but you, over and over and over. It doesn't make it any more true the hundredth time than it was the first.
Now, will you please drop it?
Comments like these below sound like that the only Trek fans that matter to them are the ones looking forward to this movie.
Anyone who says anything negative about it.... "Fuck them."
Please explain to me how I am wrong. I don't like to, essentially, be compared to something that can be replaced.
What do you think I am?
A flat tire?
That's a cold thing to say to someone, that they're replaceable.
Anyone who says anything negative about it.... "Fuck them."
Yeah, fuck those old fans, they've only kept the franchise alive for 40 years... Fuck 'em for not wanting someone else to fuck up their favorite franchise even further than it has been in the lsat couple of series...
I think it will piss off a few old fans who are so hard-core they cannot imagine anything being Star Trek except for TOS.
But hopefully there will be enough NEW fans to more than make up for that.
Hopefully the old fans who moan & moan (you know who you are) will leave for good instead of watching the next 100 episodes and hating 97.333333 recurring. The rest of us can enjoy and give out well thought out, critical but fair opinions.
Please explain to me how I am wrong. I don't like to, essentially, be compared to something that can be replaced.
What do you think I am?
A flat tire?
That's a cold thing to say to someone, that they're replaceable.
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Every new trek iteration attracted new fans while alienating old ones: TAS, the movies, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.
This new movie will be no different. But the key is to attract much more fans then you are losing. TNG did it, but every subsequent Trek series failed.
This new movie will be no different. But the key is to attract much more fans then you are losing. TNG did it, but every subsequent Trek series failed.
You've already promoted yourself as capable of being replaced.
If fans can't be open to IDIC and new versions of Star Trek, but continually return to a ST XI section of TrekBBS - when they know they won't read anything to their liking - is just... masochistic.
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Comments like these below sound like that the only Trek fans that matter to them are the ones looking forward to this movie.
Anyone who says anything negative about it.... "Fuck them."
Yeah, fuck those old fans, they've only kept the franchise alive for 40 years... Fuck 'em for not wanting someone else to fuck up their favorite franchise even further than it has been in the lsat couple of series...
Captain X, a.k.a. Captain Arrrgh!, was actually agreeing with you. His tone was sarcastic.
Captain X
Rear Admiral
Yeah, apparently I wasn't clear enough by using backwards logic and an eye-roll smiley.
I actually do agree with him about the attitude of some of the fans about anyone who has the least bit of discomfort or skepticism about the movie, but I'm hardly best pals with him as someone suggested above.
I actually do agree with him about the attitude of some of the fans about anyone who has the least bit of discomfort or skepticism about the movie, but I'm hardly best pals with him as someone suggested above.
If the movie is in keeping with the prior work of the new creative trinity, I will gladly cede Star Trek to the new fans, as I have with all of Voyager and Enterprise and most of TNG. It won't be tragedy. The tragedy is that we live in an age where no great entertainment (Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Jaws, Alien) is ever allowed to rest until it has descended irretrievably into shit. That happened to Trek a long time ago and the guys who gave us Felicity, Alias, Xena, Transformers and Fringe give me no confidence this will be any different. Maybe if I knew their midichlorian counts I'd have more faith. (As we know, a high midichlorian count is essential when you're trying to lift a Constititution Class starship into orbit--just as the Starfleet Corps of Yodas.)
MattJC --
Obviously Star Trek XI won't please everyone -- no film can do that. It is also quite obvious that the fans who are most zealous in their love for TOS will most likely be the ones who would want to resist change in any way -- and STXI will certainly be a change.
So if the general concensus is that movie is good, but hard-core fans still protest it, I really don't see the problem in someone saying "oh well, if a hard-core fan can't recognize that this is a good film, then it's his (or her) loss"
Alex Kurtzman recently said in an interview that they are trying to appeal to a wide audience, but he knows they can't please everyone...and that is a true statement.
Here's the Kurtzman interview:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/10/10/kurtzman-talks-treks-audience-appeal/
Obviously Star Trek XI won't please everyone -- no film can do that. It is also quite obvious that the fans who are most zealous in their love for TOS will most likely be the ones who would want to resist change in any way -- and STXI will certainly be a change.
So if the general concensus is that movie is good, but hard-core fans still protest it, I really don't see the problem in someone saying "oh well, if a hard-core fan can't recognize that this is a good film, then it's his (or her) loss"
Alex Kurtzman recently said in an interview that they are trying to appeal to a wide audience, but he knows they can't please everyone...and that is a true statement.
Here's the Kurtzman interview:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/10/10/kurtzman-talks-treks-audience-appeal/
I don't think the "not agreeing" or the "being sceptic" bits are bad, on the contrary. It's good when you don't accept everything thrown at you. What I don't get is why some people will adamantly (whoops, adverb?) refuse to accept even the slightest possibility of this new film (or any new Trek for that matter) being any good... but they still keep coming here and they relentlessly try to sway the vote their way.
If you're part of the "Trek is dead" group and wish to discuss it, fine, that's cool, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But hanging out at a "Trek XI" board is unproductive if you're one of these people who won't be convinced this could in any way be a good film even if they paid you money. That is not a discussion, it's just a waste of time. If you think Trek is dead, leave the future productions alone, because they don't matter to you, right?
There's plenty of old Trek for everyone to enjoy. Our dvds won't magically destroy themselves just because new Trek is rubbish.
I hope that was understandable.
If you're part of the "Trek is dead" group and wish to discuss it, fine, that's cool, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But hanging out at a "Trek XI" board is unproductive if you're one of these people who won't be convinced this could in any way be a good film even if they paid you money. That is not a discussion, it's just a waste of time. If you think Trek is dead, leave the future productions alone, because they don't matter to you, right?
There's plenty of old Trek for everyone to enjoy. Our dvds won't magically destroy themselves just because new Trek is rubbish.
I hope that was understandable.
Of course it was understanadable. Linguacode translates it as "Shut up and go away."
I, of course, will do neither.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Of course you won't.
But I can understand you scepticism - after all these Trek movies Abrams and his teams has made...
Old fan here.
I've been a fan of TOS and TOS only since episode one originally aired on NBC in the 60s... and not particularly a real big fan of J.J.Abrahms' work.
And I'm nothing but enthusiastic about what I heard and seen thus far regarding Trek XI. I like all the casting choices. Everything I've heard from the writers convinces me that they're respectful of TOS and its canon. Giacchinno's past work gives me faith that the music will be up to, or surpass Trek's previous standards. What few images have been leaked do nothing but reassure me that this film will be worthy of the Star Trek name.
I've been a fan of TOS and TOS only since episode one originally aired on NBC in the 60s... and not particularly a real big fan of J.J.Abrahms' work.
And I'm nothing but enthusiastic about what I heard and seen thus far regarding Trek XI. I like all the casting choices. Everything I've heard from the writers convinces me that they're respectful of TOS and its canon. Giacchinno's past work gives me faith that the music will be up to, or surpass Trek's previous standards. What few images have been leaked do nothing but reassure me that this film will be worthy of the Star Trek name.
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Well, I thoroughly enjoy every episode of "Lost", so if it's even only a little bit as well plotted, cast, directed and acted, I won't mind a bit.
I guess I'm an 'old-timer'--I became a Trek fan in the syndication heyday of the 70s, and saw TMP in the theater twice. I've seen nothing about the new film that gives me any doubts, and a lot that encourages me. I'd guess that whatever fans it will 'repel' have already been repelled--probably before Abrams even came aboard.
The new movie is going to repel some of the old fans. And you know, it'll probably repel some of the newer fans too. And that's their call. They can hate it when they see it the first time, they can hate it after they see the first trailer, or they can even hate it when they first realize that it isn't their daddy's Trek. Like I said, it's their call, but it doesn't really matter to me. If I can sit down for two hours and be entertained, then that movie is a success in my book. There is no way it'll please everyone. It would be nice if some wouldn't beat the dead horse as far as making sure we are all aware that it won't everyone, including them, but we can't expect everyone to like it. And that's fine. They can sit at home and have their old Trek, while the rest of us sit in the theaters and enjoy Abrams' work.
While it's okay, apparently, for you to wander into pretty much any thread even vaguely related to Trek XI and claim that anyone who doesn't express contempt for a yet-to-be-released movie about which we actually know very little is "up" / kissing Abrams' arse or sucking his dick or whatever other delightful analogies you may have used along the way. That's not exactly expressing a positive opinion of those fans, is it?
Do you not see the double standard you're perpetrating? Why does your opinion matter so much more than anyone else's? You appear to believe that you can crap on people who are prepared to await this movie with an open mind, while expecting your own viewpoint to go unchallenged. Believe it or not, MattJC, people who are positive about Trek XI and are awaiting its release with open minds are not blindly worshipping at the altar of Abrams or anyone else associated with the movie. They've merely decided to wait and see, rather than deciding that something they haven't even seen is shit. It's no more complicated than that.
I just got back from seeing the remake/rejig of "Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D". It was silly, it had some great SPFX, some likable characters, action sequences and some funny one-liners. It paid respectful homage to the Jules Verne novel and the old 1959 movie version with James Mason and Pat Boone.
I'm sure it'll sell some tie-in books, T-shirts and stickers, theme ride tickets, and it will probably inspire some people to track down some Verne books from their local library.
I can imagine it has polarized fans of Verne, Henry Levin and James Mason. But I had fun, so who cares?
i've been a fan of TOS since i was a nipper, and i am planning to see this movie and hope to enjoy it. i've enjoyed JJ and co's other works, like Alias and MI:3 as well as Cloverfield and K&O's work on Transformers.
i would say, I'm in a pretty positive mood for the movie. i think that K&O particularly did a good job of capturing the MI spirit and giving it a modern twist with M:I3 and with Transformers. so, I'm confident that they're going to capture the spirit of TOS and give it a modern twist and do it well with TOS.
the only way they'll piss me off is if they do something truely egregious like having Kirk and Spock serve together under Pike without a damn good reason or by having some thing in it that really screws with continuity that shouldn't be there, like a Galaxy class in the 23rd century or something.
i would say, I'm in a pretty positive mood for the movie. i think that K&O particularly did a good job of capturing the MI spirit and giving it a modern twist with M:I3 and with Transformers. so, I'm confident that they're going to capture the spirit of TOS and give it a modern twist and do it well with TOS.
the only way they'll piss me off is if they do something truely egregious like having Kirk and Spock serve together under Pike without a damn good reason or by having some thing in it that really screws with continuity that shouldn't be there, like a Galaxy class in the 23rd century or something.
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