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HEROES 3x04 "I Am Become Death" Discuss and Grade

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^As I've said, it's very likely that Claire finished the job once Future Peter was incapacitated.

The tree branch that "killed" Claire and the shard of glass that did the same to Peter didn't go in as far as a bullet would. A properly placed bullet can sever the spinal cord, cutting the brain off from the rest of the body which would have the same effect as a decapitation.
 
So when are we gonna get John Wesley Shipp, Mark Hamill, Carl Lumbly, Dirk Benedict and David Hasselhoff on this show?
 
^Errrrr, while I can see Carl Lumbly making an appearance at some point, I'm not sure about the rest.
 
Well if they're bringing in heroes of genre, John Wesley Shipp was The Flash and Mark Hamill was Luke Skywalker, Joker and The Trickster! Maybe get Dean Cain and Lynda Carter too.
 
I'm liking this season, but it is easy to see why people are turning off. It's becoming very convoluted, which is fine for people with an attention span but not fine for the majority of couch potatoes.
 
I'm liking this season, but it is easy to see why people are turning off. It's becoming very convoluted, which is fine for people with an attention span but not fine for the majority of couch potatoes.

That's what I'm saying! Damn their lazy eyes!:lol:
 
Complicated doesn't bother me. I followed Babylon 5 with its cryptic references in newspaper headlines to events that wouldn't happen for another couple of seasons.
 
^But that's a totally different kind of complicated. B5 was a slow-building story, but you never found yourself wondering, "What the fuck is going on?" There were mysteries, sure, but you looked forward to figuring them out.

With Heroes, I have a hard time convincing myself that these mysteries will have worthwhile conclusions, especially after the Season 1 finale and the way most of Season 2 played out.
 
^What was wrong with the season one finale ?

I've said before that season two wasn't what the writers wanted it to be. They got cut short. The plans they had for the back end of season two were epic, I'm amazed that they even had the budget for it, but they got cut off by the strike.
 
The season 1 finale was the definition of anti-climactic.

Season 2 might not have been what they wanted, and that's fine. I'm still giving Season 3 a shot, and I'm not giving up hope yet. I'm just losing patience with the format of the show.
 
^If the end of season one was anti-climatic that's because it was only the end of the first chapter of the story.

If the format of the show isn't for you then there's not much I can say to change your opinion. I like it this way and I don't find it hard to follow at all. There have been a lot of questions asked on this thread ("How did Future Peter die ?" for instance) that I didn't need to ask because I felt they were answered in the episode.
 
I don't see why they can't get 4 or 5 good solid years out of Sylar, if the show has that long. They should simply have established from the beginning - or at least implied - that Gabriel used to be normal, if nerdy, and became obsessed with opening brains when his powers kicked in because the powers themselves create that need. They've been all over the map in their rationale - why was "needing to be special" ever part of the explanation, now that we know it's not necessary? - but if they manage to settle in and stick to their current rationale, fine by me.

And I and most people would have no interest in this character, he would never have been interesting. Because it wouldn't be Sylar the interesting killing machine, it'd be Booboo (I can't control my power, sniff.)

I knew they'd never kill off one of their most popular characters, TV shows don't do that and especially ones whose ratings are getting ever more sketchy. They'll cling to Sylar (and Peter, Hiro and Claire) like a life raft, because as far as they know, the viewers who remain are watching just for their favorite characters (and with the silly writing, what else is there to watch for?) and if Sylar goes, there goes another million or two viewers and the show gets cancelled. They'll never take that risk.
But they DID! Sylar is DEAD! There's only Gabriel, or rather Booboo. The villain is gone. Go look around, at for example Buffy. The more the villain was turned into a good guy, the more the ratings dropped like a rock. For a part this is because the villain they'd love to watch and hate was gone, partially because the writing got progressively worse, BUT the writing got progressively worse, also BECAUSE they went to focus on the "popular character" which is now a inexplicable, and still no better "good guy".

How much do you want to bet, that next weeks ratings will have plummeth even more than last week? It's simple, because Sylar was severely diminished already last week, but there was still a chance he was playing along to get to more powers. Now, however, they've reduced him to Booboo. And hardly anyone who liked Sylar before cares about Booboo, they want Sylar. So, they'll all tune out.

^If the end of season one was anti-climatic that's because it was only the end of the first chapter of the story.

The end of season one anti-climactic because it was anti-climactic.

The end of season one, should be a powerful three-way battle between Hiro, Sylar and Peter, (or just Hiro and Sylar). Sylar should have died then and there. Peter should lose control afterward, Hiro should then have found that teleporting a few times quick in a row and using his other powers, rapidly exhaust him that he can't do it anymore. Enter Nathan, flying, boom, both die.

After all, if a bullet to the brain can incapacitate Peter/Claire and such, how they hell do they survive being vaporized as the catalyst of a nuclear explosion?
 
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^You would kill off three of the show's most popular and most important characters. This show has its roots very much in comic books, it is extremely rare for major characters to permanently die.

Killing off Peter, Nathan and Sylar in the same episode would be like killing off Spider-Man, Iron Man and Doctor Octopus in the same issue. Never going to happen.
 
^You would kill off three of the show's most popular and most important characters. This show has its roots very much in comic books, it is extremely rare for major characters to permanently die.

Killing off Peter, Nathan and Sylar in the same episode would be like killing off Spider-Man, Iron Man and Doctor Octopus in the same issue. Never going to happen.

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So very wrong.

First, neither Nathan, nor Peter are very important. Peter is too powerful, he would bitch slap anyone if he used his powers correctly. Thus, a story where Peter is allowed to be smart and use his powers, would have no drama, because all problems would be solved by him single handedly in a single episode. The other possibility as we've seen the writers take; is make Peter stupid, and look at the complaints about that one. In short, Peter is not a story-making character, he's a story-DESTROYING character. Which means, he is NOT important to the ongoing story. His story ended at the S1 finale, and only that arc he was important to, and even that's debateable. He really, was that story's MacGuffin, the one that would go boom at the end.

Nathan is even LESS important. He doesn't do anything. He hasn't done anything in S1, he hasn't done anything in S2, and he's done even less during S3 so far. He's a glorified side-character. He was only reasonably important, or rather useful in S1, because he was the brother of the one that go boom, and he was stuck in a political intrigue. His story was simply: whether he'd be a villain that chose power, or be a hero - and sacrifice his life in the process, by getting his brother up into the sky of New York. He's a character that's only coasted along, being dragged along by the actual protagonists and thus the important characters of the story.

Sylar is a villain. A villain is never important to a story. Any other villain can fulfill the same role. A villain is only important to a character, and only rarely important enough to keep around for very long. Sylar, as such, was important to Hiro. Hiro went on the quest to save the world, and the only way to do that, was to kill Sylar. So Sylar's role, his only importance, was to fall to Hiro's sword. The moment he survived it, his importance was gone, completely. He did not fulfill his role, so he became unimportant. Which you can see, S2, he was de-powered and spent his time traveling with the wonder twins trying to get his powers back. In short; not important, in any way shape or form. S3, is WORSE. Not only doesn't he have anything to contribute to the story, he is SO UNimportant to the story, that he's effectively been destroyed and killed, now he's just Booboo.

Also, as for comics. I'm a comics fan, but I know there are a lot of bad things, specifically habits in comics. Things that make people consider them juvenile. Some of those things, that some comics, try to avoid. And bringing people back from the dead, or letting them miraculously survive things they shouldn't have, prolonging their existence, is EXACTLY one of those bad things. And as a tv show, they should have used the good things from comics, and AVOID the bad things. Yet they didn't, they not only kept the bad things, it seems they went ahead and made just about their entire show nothing but the bad things. Is there even ANY threat of death to ANY character? Dead? Oh, just bring a bit of Claire's blood, and away we go. Seriously, Noah surviving a bullet to the brain with a bit of Claire's blood (which makes you wonder why Peter isn't getting up) is just seriously bad. Any hope that this Season would drag this show out of the bad, but instead it only got worse.
 
^Well, after that tirade I can only offer you advice - stop watching this show. Watch Grey's Anatomy or CSI or something. Don't watch this.

Peter is this series' equivalent of Superman. A Justice League with Superman in it doesn't actually need any other members, yet they continue anyway. By not making him the sharpest knife in the drawer they've effectively done what Marvel did with The Sentry - making him the most powerful character of all but landing him with inherent character flaws that reduce the number of times where the reader asks why he doesn't just put a stop to whatever is going on. World War Hulk being an obvious case in point.
 
^Well, after that tirade I can only offer you advice - stop watching this show. Watch Grey's Anatomy or CSI or something. Don't watch this.

Peter is this series' equivalent of Superman. A Justice League with Superman in it doesn't actually need any other members, yet they continue anyway. By not making him the sharpest knife in the drawer they've effectively done what Marvel did with The Sentry - making him the most powerful character of all but landing him with inherent character flaws that reduce the number of times where the reader asks why he doesn't just put a stop to whatever is going on. World War Hulk being an obvious case in point.
Well said.:techman:

To add to this, a villian is always important to a story. The measure of how good a hero is all depends on how well they deal with their villians. The heroisim of such characters as Superman, Batman & even Prof. X. are measured by their unbending morality when in conflict with Luthor, Joker & Magneto. Villians are what create heroes and are vital to story.

Sylar is still important to the story even without powers because much like Dr. Doom or Magneto, he's conniving. Like Magneto or Doom, you don't need powers to manipulate people or set an agenda in motion.
 
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No amount of black leather is going make me buy Panettiere as a villain. For that to happen, she would need to be able to act.

As for the rest of it - it's an entertaining show, but not really a show designed to withstand any sort of close examination. Even so, I did find the Gabriel to Mr. Rogers transformation labored, but as others have explained, understand the organic nature of television will alter characters to make them suitable for the long run. But it is still an abrupt transition for a mere four years. Throwing Parkman and Daphne together was a little strained as well. But there was at least a pay off in the scene where she couldn't outrun the blast. Lastly, I'm not sure the Justice League and Avengers combined could defeat the duo of Peter and Gabriel protecting their lives and children, no less an attack from a mere speedster, strong man and a bad actress with a gun, but as I said, best not to over think it.

All said, it's an interesting puzzle they're putting together even if the stakes are saving the future yet again, and I'm interested in how it plays out.

Nothing spectacular, nothing terrible. Average.
 
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