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HEROES 3x04 "I Am Become Death" Discuss and Grade

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Hey what happened to the folks from last week who were convinced Sylar wasn't really a Petrelli and Angela was lying? ;)

Also, shouldn't Peter have the Haitian's powers? He could've turned off Claire, Knox and Daphne during the house encounter. Can Peter counteract the Haitian?

The Haitian is the only hero with powers Peter cannot absorb since he can't use his absorption power while the Haitian is using his. Ironic. But I wondered why Peter couldn't use that nifty mind-control ability of his to orderClaire to drop the gun. I also wondered earlier why he didn't turn invisible while Claire was shooting at him (or turn invisible in the house, there's another solution). Or stop time! Jeeze! Peter still forgets about his powers way too much. Making him evil and insane may be a good solution if it stops him from being stupid.

Also, villains shouldn't remain, villains should DIE.

My favorite TV villains are Dukat and Scorpius, both of which lasted for several seasons. Dukat had six good seasons in him before they wrecked him with one plot twist too far. Scorpy was good from first to last (the better part of four seasons). And that's not even counting Dexter Morgan, who not only is a villain but the lead character of his series (and a serial killer, which shows that there's nothing about being a serial killer which keeps a character from being as deep, complex and durable story-wise as any character ever devised). He's not just the best villain character in TV history, I'd call him the best character of any kind. His only competition would be Spock.

I don't see why they can't get 4 or 5 good solid years out of Sylar, if the show has that long. They should simply have established from the beginning - or at least implied - that Gabriel used to be normal, if nerdy, and became obsessed with opening brains when his powers kicked in because the powers themselves create that need. They've been all over the map in their rationale - why was "needing to be special" ever part of the explanation, now that we know it's not necessary? - but if they manage to settle in and stick to their current rationale, fine by me.

I knew they'd never kill off one of their most popular characters, TV shows don't do that and especially ones whose ratings are getting ever more sketchy. They'll cling to Sylar (and Peter, Hiro and Claire) like a life raft, because as far as they know, the viewers who remain are watching just for their favorite characters (and with the silly writing, what else is there to watch for?) and if Sylar goes, there goes another million or two viewers and the show gets cancelled. They'll never take that risk.

Speaking of ratings, PI Feedback is sounding alarm bells but TV by the Numbers calls Heroes a winner for doing well in the hard-to-please 18-34 demo. My hunch is that the viewers who are leaving in disgust tend to be the over-34 crowd and the kids are staying because they luuuuuv these characters and the nutty plot twists are working for them.
So it's not going to be very long before NBC forces major changes to the series, or just pulls the plug on it altogether.
NBC has nothing to replace it with. Everything it tries tanks. Heroes is the second healthiest scripted show in its lineup, after The Office. Here's the Review/Cancel Index (the top of this list are the weakest shows; Heroes is seventh from the bottom, eg, best). It's doing better than CSI: Miami! :lol:

And the NBC suits don't know how to fix Heroes. They don't know how to come up with shows that won't crash and burn catastrophically, so why would they think they can fix Heroes? (Other than being self-deluded egomaniacs, I mean.)
 
Next season on Heroes, Sylar -- who got Hiro's time travel powers without killing him thanks to a brand new invention called the CAT Scan -- travels from the future to the present to warn the Heroes about a new threat... the past!
 
The Haitian is the only hero with powers Peter cannot absorb since he can't use his absorption power while the Haitian is using his. Ironic.

He now has the option of going into the future, killing the Haitian, and using Sylar's powers to figure out the Haitian's powers. He can then travel back in time. The Haitian will still be alive, and Peter will have the Hatian's powers. Problem solved. Of course, there could be moral implications if the future universe survives in some form.
 
Sylar and Peter both need to run across a super with X-Ray vision. Then the hunger can be satisfed without any need for brain surgery and presumably both will return to perfect mental health although Peter will still be stupid.

Maybe they can pay a visit to Smallville and cut open Clark's skull. That will improve two shows! :rommie:
 
Hey what happened to the folks from last week who were convinced Sylar wasn't really a Petrelli and Angela was lying? ;)



Speaking of ratings, PI Feedback is sounding alarm bells but TV by the Numbers calls Heroes a winner for doing well in the hard-to-please 18-34 demo. My hunch is that the viewers who are leaving in disgust tend to be the over-34 crowd and the kids are staying because they luuuuuv these characters and the nutty plot twists are working for them.
Well, I'm actually alot more accepting of Sylar being a Patrelli now that we know some of the Heroes powers were artificial. It also explains why so many of the characters are connected. Although I'm pretty sure some of them are prorbably going to be natural.

The scenario you described with the viewers, was pretty much what happened with me and my mother.
 
Wouldn't Nathan have noticed if Angela was pregnant and after a while there was no baby?

It'd be much easier if Sylar was Daddy Petrelli's bastard son.
 
When did we learn that they were biologically related? All we know is they consider each other brothers, all starting with Angela saying as much. Whether or not they actually are is neither addressed by this episode nor particularly relevant to it.

And anyone who missed Sylar's "as if you could!" reply to Peter clearly didn't realize that while he may have reformed as is protecting Noah, he's not a shiny happy person full of rainbows and puppies.
 
^Well, the point is that we are supposed to believe, at least for the time being, that they are biologically related.
 
Sylar makes a great villian and great good guy :cool: How can people tune out of Heroes after an episode like this :techman:
 
Wouldn't Nathan have noticed if Angela was pregnant and after a while there was no baby?

It'd be much easier if Sylar was Daddy Petrelli's bastard son.

True, Nathan's supposed to be twelve years older than Peter, but who's to say Angela actually gave birth to Sylar? Granted it was thirty years ago and the first test tube baby was born in England in 1978, (Louise Brown, damn I'm dating myself) but "the company" was supposed to be ahead of the curve with genetic manipulation. Angela could have donated eggs that were carried by another woman.
 
Peter's regenerative power is automatic, too, but as has been mentioned before, the Haitian was around, and he was preventing both Peters from using their powers.
 
I think Monica is coming back and the lost Irish lass got the short end of the stick-when that possible future was thwarted *poof* all gone and her with it.

Monica and Micah were in the original version of the Angela dream sequence shot for season two that they put on the Blu-Ray/DVD release. Clearly, plans change.

I'm still convinced that it was Jessica in that sequence originally and this business with Tracy being a triplet is part of that change.
 
The big problem with FuturePeter's death isn't that the Haitian was around when he died, but that he stayed dead even after the Haitian left. If it can happen to him, logically it should be able to happen to Claire, Adam, Sylar and anyone else with the power. Yet neither Claire nor Knox and the others seemed to acknowledge this ("not all of us can live forever") and it'd be odd if they didn't try it with Adam at some point, too.

That's about the only WTF? about the scenario.

Personally I think it's the Haitian that's too powerful. He's even more of a deux ex machina than Peter or Sylar are. If he had to actually concentrate and purposely use his power against someone, that'd be a lot better. As it is now he just has to be sorta kinda around and not even noticing you're there to render you powerless. On top of that, he's the only non-mimic in the show to have multiple powers. Pretty lame.
 
^It has been repeatedly stated that even without the Haitian, a bullet to the back of the head will permanently kill anyone with healing powers.

When Victoria Pratt tried to shoot Peter with a shotgun, Adam told him "she was about to blow your head off, there's no coming back from that one".

In Angela's vision, Knox kills Claire by decapitating her as well.
 
Unfortunately that was proven incorrect in Season One when the shard of glass was pulled out of Peter. It's like a stake in the heart in many vampire stories; it only works as long as you keep the stake there. It stops the regeneration, it doesn't kill.

Decapitation (much like in the same vampire stories) may work, but that's not the same thing. Nor was Peter actually even shot there on-screen. Or even directly implied otherwise. And I don't see why it wouldn't kick back in if you just tossed the head next to the body in much the same way Claire's scalp regrew (yet didn't do anything for the entire duration of Sylar's probing).
 
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