First look at Phase II Enterprise for...wait for it...Phase II
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She does look strange. Gonna take some getting use to. I don't know-I guess I'm just hung up on the old design. Its hard to top that. It's either the original tv model or the motion picture model. Anything between just doesn't measure up.
I really like the Phase II design, but find this incarnation of it to be a bit lacking. I realize it is most likely a WIP, but I would definately prefer it if they went with Minor's more graceful version of it from the cover of the Phase II book than the hideous Star Wars looking one from the TMP teaser poster.
The square windows along the rim of the saucer look hideous, and even I will admit that there is far, far, FAR too much blue on this ship.
And I like blue...
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The square windows along the rim of the saucer look hideous, and even I will admit that there is far, far, FAR too much blue on this ship.
And I like blue...
Rob+
I like Dennis's model better, even if this isn't a final render.
First of all, I love the idea of phasing in Phase II stuff into TOS.
I'm not crazy about Darren's yet- the windows on the saucer look weird- they're recessed too far, making the skin of the ship look too thick and heavy, and their placement just isn't as pleasing as the original. I also think there's too much blue.
Overall I prefer the lines of Dennis', although his saucer doesn't have enough windows.
Some mix of the two designs would be nice. Either way, it will be great to see Phase II finally onscreen.
My saucer has the windows indicated on Jefferies' design drawings and on the artwork actually prepared by the Phase II production, interpolated with the TOS configuration rather than the ST:TMP version in areas where there was no other information available.
I ignored the Berkeley poster with its many additional badly-placed windows - that was a piece of marketing art prepared for a poster by the movie people after "Phase II" was shut down and during a period when models and sets were being redesigned for the film. Berkeley's painting conflicts in significant detail with both the Phase II designs and model and the TMP design, and there's no evidence that it reflects the intended appearence of the Phase II ship. It was a "2001"-ish painting designed for advertising impact rather than to reflect the actual production design, so I discarded it as irrelevant to what the "Phase II" ship was intended to look like.
I used three sources as reference: Matt Jefferies' blueprints and design drawings as available, all photographs of the partially completed "Phase II" model that I could find, and Mike Minor's production drawings and paintings prepared during the time that "Phase II" was actually in preproduction. Where there were conflicts I almost always favored Jefferies' drawings over the model, and the model over any production artwork. With one or two exceptions, I ignored any ST:TMP or other design work that was done after "Phase II" was shut down in favor of a theatrical film. And I paid no attention to hearsay such as "one of the designers at Brick Price told me in 1985 that they were going to do this or that to the model in 1978."
Oh, one other thing - I kept the TOS two-window configuration for the forward port quadrant of the saucer rim simply because I had no information that contradicted it. It might look better if I'd mirrored the window configuration from the starboard side, which people are more familiar with since that was the side of the TOS model that was most often photographed. Same thing came up on "The Tressaurian Intersection" - Jimm Johnson asked me to replace the port configuration with the starboard because the two-window layout looked too plain.
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The only way to do Phase II Enterprise.
At least we three can agree one thing.
Perfect example of douchebaggery, thank you for the simulation.
If you want to do a drive by, do it in TNZ where I can respond with proper righteous indignation and make you run home to mama.
Have a nice day.
The ship still looks bad.
A shame that Darren's model appears to be based pretty heavily on the Berkley image, including the freaky windows around the saucer, too-thick saucer rim, squatty pylons, large sensor dome and blue nacelle caps. Over on TrekMovie, he claims to have built the model from Jeffries' blueprints, and implies this is the first time anyone has done so, but I have serious doubts. Ick.
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Ah, now that name I'm familiar with
I like Dennis's model better, even if this isn't a final render.
I agree, this looks better. But there's nothing wrong with the version they went with.
You guys are being awful tough on a design based on barely more than a few sketches and an unfinished model. Most every detail on various completed versions of the Phase II Enterprise has been an interpretation. I like the new one myself. YMMV but it doesn't make a different interpretation wrong.
Hmm.. dunno about these nacelles this early in the life cycle of 1701.
That whole Decker countermanding Kirks phaser order in STTMP because phaser power was channelled from the new warp engines or something to that effect makes me think that 1701 had the same warp engines for the rest of Kirks 5 year mission.
I suppose there could have been intermediate design changes, but that doesn't feel right to me.
AG
That whole Decker countermanding Kirks phaser order in STTMP because phaser power was channelled from the new warp engines or something to that effect makes me think that 1701 had the same warp engines for the rest of Kirks 5 year mission.
I suppose there could have been intermediate design changes, but that doesn't feel right to me.
AG
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