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Chinese plan : An inter planetary station owned by China

TheMasterOfOrion

Fleet Captain
Fleet Captain
China's long term goal, some predict it is even bigger than this Great Wall of Chinese past Emperors and the construction will be more precious than Gold
http://www.jamesoberg.com/05242004skipmoon_chi.html
Far Space Goals

Assuming that the new booster does become available by the end of the decade – and the Chinese space engineers have an enviable track record of successfully developing new hardware, even if not quite as quickly as first planned – it will have numerous useful missions. First and foremost, it is supposed to allow the launch of heavy communications satellites that China can sell to foreign customers, restoring a cash flow cut off in the late 1990’s when US trade restrictions strangled China’s commercial space launch business.

But early in the next decade, as China also operates its own small space station using Shenzhou transport spacecraft – and perhaps visits the International Space Station from time to time – attention will also turn to more distant goals. With a stronger heat shield, and strapped to a Long March 5-500 booster, a Shenzhou spacecraft could easily loop out around the Moon and back as a demonstration of China’s technical skills.

Such demonstrations serve as credibility enhancers for all of China’s high technology, including commercial exports, scientific status, diplomatic influence, and military power. And it’s not just ‘public opinion’ – Chinese experts make it clear that responding to challenging space goals forces them to develop more sophisticated industrial capabilities.

This ‘super-Shenzhou’ and its new booster could not land on the Moon – an entirely new and expensive spacecraft would be needed for that. Instead, the vehicle could range elsewhere in Earth-Moon space, including a series of gravitational ‘neutral points’ that offer interesting vantage points for observation and jumping-off points for more distant travel.

By far the most interesting is the so-called “Sun-Earth Lagrange Point #2”, which lies about a million miles from Earth, out away from the Sun. That’s four times the distance of the Moon, at the edge of interplanetary space, where spacecraft could metaphorically ride the gravitational wake of Earth as it circles the Sun. An entire fleet of astronomical observatories – including the Webb Space Telescope to replace Hubble – is being assembled to operate from exactly this area of space.

This region is also near the apex of Earth’s long shadow, where instruments could observe the full circle of Earth’s atmosphere back-lit by sunlight to provide unique diagnostics of climate and weather. Earth out the spacecraft window would be as small as the moon looks in the skies of Earth.

After launch from Earth orbit, it would take about two weeks to drift out to this region, and a rocket firing is needed to stop there for as long as was needed. Perhaps a satellite would be deployed, or another one be repaired. After a few days or a few weeks, another rocket firing sends the spacecraft back towards Earth. The total rocket force needed is only slightly greater than that required to circle the Moon and return to Earth, but the big difference is in the mission duration.

The Space Gateway

This area is also sometimes called a “gateway zone”, because it’s a good place to park pieces of a bigger spacecraft – requiring additional launches from Earth – that could then dive back towards Earth to pick up speed and fire its engines to hurl it out into interplanetary space, perhaps to meet a passing asteroid for several weeks of study. Flight paths for such missions, lasting six to twelve months and still requiring less total rocket power than landing on the Moon, have already been developed.

Rationale for human asteroid missions is compelling. First is the great scientific interest in such objects, remnants of the early solar system. Second is the question of exploitable resources, perhaps water ice or even structural materials. Third is the issue of ‘threat mitigation’, studying the cohesiveness of such objects against the future day when Earth needs to push one off a collision course. And fourth is the psychological breakthrough into interplanetary flight and the testing of men and machines to allow serious planning for expeditions to Mars.

The zone is also a gateway into orbits of possible military interest. From here, small automated ‘parasite satellites’ could be dropped into the orbital planes of high-altitude US defense satellites on communications, reconnaissance, and navigation missions. Undetected from Earth, they could nudge themselves onto matching paths, creep up to their targets, and attach to them for later exploitation.

How Likely Is This Scenario?

China has so far expressed no public interest in such missions. For lunar exploration, its news media relies entirely on Chinese specialists quoting from Western studies. But there’s been no mention at all of Western discussions of these alternate goals for manned missions still ten years or more in the future.
 
It is imperative that we get there before they do.

WE CANNOT ALLOW AN INTERPLANETARY GAP!!!
 
NASA had proposed an L2 outpost a number of years ago as a gateway to deep interplanetary space. I'm not sure about the details now. I know the shuttle wasn't going to L2 though.

Kiprion, an interplanetary gap would be worse than a mine shaft gap! :lol:

AG
 
Bring on the era of asteroid mining!!!

It will be the next great gold rush and it will pave the way for human space habitation, permanent space habitation!
 
And now for a bit of Comedy Futurama style....


Chinese Whalers on the Moon!

We'le wharels on moon,
We cally halpoon.
But thele no whares
So we terr tarr tares
And sing wharing tune.


Actually Chinese will settle on Mars and make it a big Ranch for bugalo and send daughter to college, but she won't get married.
 
And now for a bit of Comedy Futurama style....


Chinese Whalers on the Moon!

We'le wharels on moon,
We cally halpoon.
But thele no whares
So we terr tarr tares
And sing wharing tune.

An antiquated, ignorant racist stereotype is hardly comedy. That stupid R/L inversion myth is based on a misinterpretation of Japanese phonetics, not Chinese. They don't even have an R sound per se in Mandarin.

Honestly, where are you posting from, 1957? This kind of blatant ethnic slur is unconscionable.
 
And now for a bit of Comedy Futurama style....


Chinese Whalers on the Moon!

We'le wharels on moon,
We cally halpoon.
But thele no whares
So we terr tarr tares
And sing wharing tune.

An antiquated, ignorant racist stereotype is hardly comedy. That stupid R/L inversion myth is based on a misinterpretation of Japanese phonetics, not Chinese. They don't even have an R sound per se in Mandarin.

Honestly, where are you posting from, 1957? This kind of blatant ethnic slur is unconscionable.

Saw that coming...
 
And now for a bit of Comedy Futurama style....


Chinese Whalers on the Moon!

We'le wharels on moon,
We cally halpoon.
But thele no whares
So we terr tarr tares
And sing wharing tune.

An antiquated, ignorant racist stereotype is hardly comedy. That stupid R/L inversion myth is based on a misinterpretation of Japanese phonetics, not Chinese. They don't even have an R sound per se in Mandarin.

Honestly, where are you posting from, 1957? This kind of blatant ethnic slur is unconscionable.

Saw that coming...

Honestly that is what makes it funny, go watch avenue Q sometime.
 
It is imperative that we get there before they do.

WE CANNOT ALLOW AN INTERPLANETARY GAP!!!


The problem is the Chinese have some money - the USA, Europe and Russia all don't.

The Chinese will take the lead in space in the 21st, just as the USA and Russia did in the 20th.
 
It is imperative that we get there before they do.

WE CANNOT ALLOW AN INTERPLANETARY GAP!!!


The problem is the Chinese have some money - the USA, Europe and Russia all don't.

The Chinese will take the lead in space in the 21st, just as the USA and Russia did in the 20th.

I think the US will be inspired back into the Space Race by the Chinese. There has been no urgency in US space programs since the race to the Moon. It took the Russians to inspire them last century, the Chinese will do it this one.
 
I think the US will be inspired back into the Space Race by the Chinese. There has been no urgency in US space programs since the race to the Moon. It took the Russians to inspire them last century, the Chinese will do it this one.

The difference being that this time the Chinese have more money, and soon more resources.

It is a very good thing that someone else wants to take a lead in exploration, the USA really cannot afford both a space program and a "War On Terror", and that is ignoring the current economic meltdown.

I can't see the big boost in NASA funding required to get things really going again coming soon.
 
I think the US will be inspired back into the Space Race by the Chinese. There has been no urgency in US space programs since the race to the Moon. It took the Russians to inspire them last century, the Chinese will do it this one.

The difference being that this time the Chinese have more money, and soon more resources.

It is a very good thing that someone else wants to take a lead in exploration, the USA really cannot afford both a space program and a "War On Terror", and that is ignoring the current economic meltdown.

I can't see the big boost in NASA funding required to get things really going again coming soon.

While the Chinese economy is quickly growing the US is still many times larger. The last projections I saw show China pulling even in the 2030-2040 timeframe and pulling slightly ahead in 2040-2050. And that projection postulated a growth rate for China that would be hard to maintain for 40 years.

With all news stories about China growing people assume they are huge already; they are not. Just like people assume China manufactures most of the stuff in world already when that honor still belongs to the USA.
 
While the Chinese economy is quickly growing the US is still many times larger. The last projections I saw show China pulling even in the 2030-2040 timeframe and pulling slightly ahead in 2040-2050. And that projection postulated a growth rate for China that would be hard to maintain for 40 years.

The last figure I saw said 2020, but that was before the current financial crisis. A major collapse in the financial services industries will lead to even bigger trade deficits for the USA.

With all news stories about China growing people assume they are huge already; they are not. Just like people assume China manufactures most of the stuff in world already when that honor still belongs to the USA.
They are huge already - just not as big as the USA yet. However the USA is consuming far more than it exports, it's trade deficits are massive and it cannot sustain that situation forever in the light of mounting competition from the new would-be superpowers of China and India. The massive pool of cheap labour gives China an advantage the US won't have even if you let the entire population of Mexico in.

Don't get me wrong - the USA is not going to end up a provincial power in twenty years, or turn into Britain or France. It will remain a massive economic and military power throughout most of the next century.

BUT - to wrench this back on topic - the USA cannot and will not afford to spend as much on a space program as the Chinese going forwards. Quite simply with the economic crisis, the constant financial drain of two wars and a simple lack of political will there is not a cat in hell's chance of NASA getting even a fraction of the money it needs.
 
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