Please God, No! (Transformers 2 Rumor) (SPOILER!)

[Thespeckledkiwi]

As long as it is as good as the first Transformers movie I will be happy.

Wow.


Just..........wow.

Oh come off it - the hate for Transformers is getting a bit old now. It wasn't a great movie, but it was a lot of fun if you like that sort of thing - which plenty of people do - even people who also like more intelligent, better movies. I'd be happy enough if the sequel is as good (I'd rather it were better, but with Michael Bay involved I doubt it will be).

The Fallen is an odd choice, because he wasn't really explained in his single comic appearance - and that continuity got canned when Dreamwave Productions went under. However, if they intend to link him to Unicron, which is entirely possible, then if there's some kind of trilogy planned, perhaps this film will show the first hints of Unicron, via The Fallen, who will then appear in the next one.

Not only Unicron but Primus and the original 13 Transformers. And then you might have to throw in the Quintassons if they want to touch on the cartoon.

I really don't want Unicron in any of the movies.

 

[Aragorn]

So because he was incorrectly called Devastator, even though it was supposed to be Brawl and even the toyline calls him Brawl, it's perfectly clear that single tank robot is the six Construction combo Devastator?

Well Devastator is going to be in the next movie and he won't be the tank from the first movie. Would you rather have them call it Omega Supreme or Prowl instead?

 

[Bishbot]

You already have. He was in the first movie.

That's not Devastator. That was Brawl with the wrong subtitle. The Constructicon combo Devastator is going to be in the next movie.

No, it was Devastator. They made it perfectly clear that was Devastator. Wrong subtitle or not, it was.

Yeah, that was pretty stupid - for whatever reason they said that even though it was a mistake originally, they had no intention of changing it. Still, we may yet see a combiner team in this movie - there's plenty of them to choose from - no reason it has to be Devastator.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

So because he was incorrectly called Devastator, even though it was supposed to be Brawl and even the toyline calls him Brawl, it's perfectly clear that single tank robot is the six Construction combo Devastator?

Well Devastator is going to be in the next movie and he won't be the tank from the first movie. Would you rather have them call it Omega Supreme or Prowl instead?

I rather they not have Devastator in the movie whatsoever. The same reason why they won't have Prowl in the movie because moviegoers will get confused between Prowl and Barricade.

Bay even stated he wanted it to be Devastator (hence why he says his name is Devastator).

Devastator also wouldn't do very well in the movies, I'm sorry to say.

Hasbro says one thing, Bay says another. Bay directs the movie and writes the script or at least outlines it.

Megatron is suppose to be a gun or at least a tank. He's a jet in the movie. Prime is suppose to be a different cab truck. Ironhide is suppose to be a mini-van. Bumblebee is suppose to be a SMALL CAR. Ratchet is suppose to be a ambulance (not a freaking Humvee). Frenzy is suppose to be a cassette tape. Bonecrusher is in the damn movie already and isn't a bulldozer (I have no idea what the hell he is). Blackout was suppose to be Vortex (I think). Scratch that, Blackout is a helicopter but in the new Energon show.

They make changes.

 

[Bishbot]

So because he was incorrectly called Devastator, even though it was supposed to be Brawl and even the toyline calls him Brawl, it's perfectly clear that single tank robot is the six Construction combo Devastator?

Well Devastator is going to be in the next movie and he won't be the tank from the first movie. Would you rather have them call it Omega Supreme or Prowl instead?

I rather they not have Devastator in the movie whatsoever. The same reason why they won't have Prowl in the movie because moviegoers will get confused between Prowl and Barricade.

Bay even stated he wanted it to be Devastator.

Devastator also wouldn't do very well in the movies, I'm sorry to say.

Hasbro says one thing, Bay says another. Bay directs the movie...

I don't see why a combiner wouldn't work in the movie - they could make that look pretty cool, I reckon. Although, we've been told there are ten robots a side in this one, so I suppose they won't use up five or six Decepticons as Constructicons.

 

[Aragorn]

There's change for improvement, change for budgetary reasons and change for the sake of change. If Wheeljack, Jetfire, Bumblebee and Ironhide suddenly became a combiner and formed a giant robot named Wheelie, you'd be cheering all over that?

 

[captcalhoun]

considering Megatron's been a gun, a tank, an F-22, various animals and WTFever that new 'Animated' version is, a Cybertronian jet is nothing.

like wise, Prime's been a truck, a sports car and a fire truck, so a truck cab's nothing.

i'd bet a dollar to a plugged nickel that the Constructicons will be 5 members; Long Haul, Mixmaster, Hook, Scrapper and Scavenger. there was no reason for 2 of them to form the torso anyway, when all the other Special Teams like the Technobots, Aerialbots, Stuncticons, Combaticons and so on were nearly always five. only the Seacons and Monster Pretenders were 6 after the Constructicons.

i just kind of hope The Fallen isn't wreathed in flames all the time...

and FYI: The Fallen's appearing in IDW's comics next summer...

 

[Bishbot]

There's change for improvement, change for budgetary reasons and change for the sake of change. If Wheeljack, Jetfire, Bumblebee and Ironhide suddenly became a combiner and formed a giant robot named Wheelie, you'd be cheering all over that?

No - but Devastator is only one of many combined robots on the Decepticon side - from the top of my head I can think of Menasor, Bruticus, Monstructor, Predaking and Pirranacon - and that's disregarding the fact that Bay might make up his own.

Bruticus would actually fit very well into Bay's universe, since the robots that make him up, the Combaticons, are all military vehicles (except for Blast-Off, who's a very strangely coloured space shuttle).

 

[SalvorHardin]

I have no problem with the Fallen being in T2.

Meanwhile, rumor has it that Megatron will return as an alien tank this time

Some photos below...

Let the bitching and childhood raping begin

 

[God Magnus]

Because he's complex character.

You would have to deal with Unicron and Primus.

Because how do you keep the Fallen a very powerful character and yet not have very many characters on screen?

That would be true assuming all the rules that apply to the previous shows and comics apply here. No one says that Unicron and Primus necesarily do or do not exist in this universe.

As for "The Fallen" taking up screen time from others, according to early reports, this movie will have more robots than the previous one, so I'm not sure that should be a big concern.

As for complex, I guess I don't see him that way. I mean, he was one of the original 13, fell in with Unicron, got tossed out of our universe, tried to bring Unicron back and failed. "War Within: Dark Ages" didn't exactly get into a lot of his motivation.

As someone mentioned above, he is sort of the TF version of "Satan's helper" so that makes him ideal to be the one to come back and team up with (possibly resurrect?) a bunch of fallen Decepticons. He introduces the Transformers equivalent of a "supernatural" element in beyond the Allspark.

 

[Bishbot]

That tank mode is quite cool, its definitely better than the jet, but I imagine I will still dislike Megatron's robot mode. It looks like his head is the same as last time. I didn't hate the design, and I'm not a G1 purist or anything, but it still just wasn't Megatron to me. Also, an Earth tank would be more interesting, I reckon - even if its not based on a real one.

Yeah, I really don't think they need to get into the whole Quintesson thing - this is its own continuity. They might use the "original 13" idea, but it'll probably just be a couple of lines of exposition from Prime when he explains who The Fallen is.

 

[God Magnus]

That tank mode is quite cool, its definitely better than the jet, but I imagine I will still dislike Megatron's robot mode. It looks like his head is the same as last time. I didn't hate the design, and I'm not a G1 purist or anything, but it still just wasn't Megatron to me. Also, an Earth tank would be more interesting, I reckon - even if its not based on a real one.

Yeah, I really don't think they need to get into the whole Quintesson thing - this is its own continuity. They might use the "original 13" idea, but it'll probably just be a couple of lines of exposition from Prime when he explains who The Fallen is.

Looking at the pic above (and assuming it's not part of the ol' Bay misinformation campaign) I'd say I like it more than the design in the first movie. It's actually not the same. Look at the crest and the section in the middle and the points near his mouth - it's basically the Decepticon symbol as his head. I've always wanted to see Megatron with a Decepticon symbol influenced head, so I hope that's it.

Re: The Quints and so on, I don't think any of that needs to be brought in. They could easily explain the Fallen was the "third brother" or something of OP and Megs and that he had contact with the Allspark thus giving him any mystical powers he may have (I'm assuming a lot here). Just because he appears, it doesn't mean Unicron, Quintessons, Vector Sigma etc. all have to appear as well.

 

[SalvorHardin]

And doesn't that tank remind you a bit of Galvatron ?

 

[Bishbot]

And doesn't that tank remind you a bit of Galvatron ?

Yeah, that did cross my mind - but I don't think it has changed significantly enough from the Megatron of the first movie to warrant the name change. I'm sure Galvatron will appear at some point in this movies, but I don't think this tank is he.

 

[Saul]

As long as it is as good as the first Transformers movie I will be happy.

Wow.


Just..........wow.

What's your problem? The first film was great. But then I'm not a thirty-something man obsessing over whether the depiction of a bunch of frigging kiddie toys is completely accurate or not. I'm expectimng to enjoy GI Joe for much the same reason.

So you're like 8 or 9 years old?

 

[TheBrew]

That tank mode is quite cool, its definitely better than the jet, but I imagine I will still dislike Megatron's robot mode. It looks like his head is the same as last time. I didn't hate the design, and I'm not a G1 purist or anything, but it still just wasn't Megatron to me. Also, an Earth tank would be more interesting, I reckon - even if its not based on a real one.

Yeah, I really don't think they need to get into the whole Quintesson thing - this is its own continuity. They might use the "original 13" idea, but it'll probably just be a couple of lines of exposition from Prime when he explains who The Fallen is.

Looking at the pic above (and assuming it's not part of the ol' Bay misinformation campaign) I'd say I like it more than the design in the first movie. It's actually not the same. Look at the crest and the section in the middle and the points near his mouth - it's basically the Decepticon symbol as his head. I've always wanted to see Megatron with a Decepticon symbol influenced head, so I hope that's it.

I just noticed that as well. That is pretty cool.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

There's change for improvement, change for budgetary reasons and change for the sake of change. If Wheeljack, Jetfire, Bumblebee and Ironhide suddenly became a combiner and formed a giant robot named Wheelie, you'd be cheering all over that?

No, I wouldn't. There are somethings that are iconic in comic books and continuities. I can understand why Bumblebee wasn't a VW but they still should have had him as a small car.

Would you like it if they changed Superman's origin? Or costume around? Or how about Batman's origin? Let's say his parents weren't killed by a thief? Or let's say Wolverine wasn't a Canadian...How would you deal with those changes?

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Re: The Quints and so on, I don't think any of that needs to be brought in. They could easily explain the Fallen was the "third brother" or something of OP and Megs and that he had contact with the Allspark thus giving him any mystical powers he may have (I'm assuming a lot here). Just because he appears, it doesn't mean Unicron, Quintessons, Vector Sigma etc. all have to appear as well.

I rather they not continue to screw up Prime and Megs origin even further. Personally I loved the origin stories of both given by DW and IDW (even though they did have some flaws).

As I said, how much change is good? Bay specifically said he was doing G1 but he seems to be branching out into every other part of the continuity and making up his own as he goes along.

So he should be saying that this Transformers is NOT G1 or even INFLUENCED by G1 and simply a combination of all Transformers media.

 

[Captain Craig]

I like the Cybertronian-esque tank look for Megs.
What I'd still like to see changed though his his head. Its just not close enough to what it should look like. They get Prime right and take care to give nods in other spots but they ignore the second most important characters look altogether as it relates to the source. Odd.

As for the Fallen. I think the fact he is only known to us diehards gives Bay & Co. a lot of room to play. Heck the character is still murky and has plenty of room for growth in any medium. Bring him on.

 

[CaptainWacky]

Unicron attacking Earth in Transformers 3, please.