Is Bryan Fuller right? A series in the Kirk era, but not on the E?

[FordSVT]

^It's time to leave the prison of strict canon behind.

I whole agree 100%. TrekLit does a fine job of dealing with the canon. Let's not have the new film (s) or any new project have to wade through the canon waters.

As broad as it is, Trek canon is often deceptively vague with a lot of room for interpretation. It's one of the reasons I didn't think Enterprise violated canon nearly as much as a few people seemed to think it did. You could set a new series smack dab in the middle of TOS era and probably never mention a single hard fact or piece of continuity from the original. You can add without subtracting.

You don't have to acknowledge or explore the existing canon, but I think there is enough elbow room that there are hundreds of good stories left that there is no need to deliberately violate it. I am not a nitpicker though, little things don't bug me. I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch because Scotty comes from a different county than I thought he did or the Enterprise has 16 warp coils instead of 14, but Vulcans should be logical , Starfleet command should be in San Francisco, there shuold be warp drive and phasers, the UFP... you know what I mean?

Trek should still by and large be Trek, otherwise they should make another show with new rules and species and ideas. I think what JJ is doing looks great.

 

[captcalhoun]

i've said this would work since the first VGD novel came out...

 

[Jax]

I was thinking about a VOY type show where they are in a different galaxy, a kind of Commenwealth/Andromeda type story but it would be compared to VOY & Andromeda too much for fans to except thoug could use name like Star Trek Odyseyy.

I think ST should stick to movies for a while if XI becomes succesful due to lack of ideas for a ST show and the fact that the only network it could survive is CW, which will be gone soon so only left with cable but Paramount does not want that, small budget won't help the show either.

 

[MrPointy]

Well, I want a post-DS9 show about Section 31 starring Amy Acker as a Sydney Bristow analogue, but Bryan's idea is good too.

 

[Psion]

How many cop shows have been made on TV in the last fifty years? All set in roughly the same universe. And yet, year after year, a new one appears with fresh enough stories that some become highly successful. Anyone who thinks we're running out of stories in a particular star-spanning civilization set in the next two or three hundred years needs to press their "creativity" reset button, because I think they have a buffer overflow condition.

Or their turbolift doesn't go to the bridge.

Or they're one dilithium crystal short of a warp core.

Or a red shirt shy of a landing party.

 

[stonester1]

In fact, except for a few mediocre attempts, they never even took the opportunity to deeply explore the philosophical issues of what it would mean to be split up into atoms and transported - much less the spiritual connotations which is seemingly anathema in the star trek universe.

On the latter matter, is it any wonder, when so many fans absolutely freak about the idea of spiritual matters being taken seriously in a science fiction setting, without such questions being dismissed by yet another false god/technobabble footnote?

 

[KaiClark]

I been reading the post and I have to agree IF there was to be a new show It should be set farther in the future. Like Roddenberry did with TNG setting it 80 years after TOS. There are plenty of stories to tell just look at all the plots that DS9 left or even Nemesis left. The federation went through a huge war talk about great stories Reconstruction. Romulans stories, I for one don't believe we could get along. Does Cardassia rebuild or are they worse off. How does the federation deal with races that signed with the Dominion. I want to know.

Just because (hypothetically) it set in the 25th century the tech would get in the way. Good stories shouldn't rely on it. Great stories incorperate it into the story but don't make it the story. The tech is just a devise the story is what counts. The Visitor is a very low tech story with a touch of fantastic thrown in but at the heart of it is the story of how a son loves his father and what he'll do to get him back. Or Darmok where the tech is a transporter that actually hinders the hero and does not help him. The real story at it's core is about communication and how we learn, the universal translator doesn't help here it translates the words but not the meaning.

The sereies like the mission statement should be about looking forward and not back. We started off in the 23rd century boldly going, we entered the 24th century to see where we went and how were doing. Unfortunatly we seem to be stepping back...we need to step forward to brave the unknown and seek out new life. Cheesy i know but it really early where I'm at.

If we see a new series I'm asking right off the bat put collars on the uniforms it really makes the TNG uniforms better from S2 to S3

Break the mold, stretch the boundries give us new and exciting stories of the future.

 

[Gepard]

On the latter matter, is it any wonder, when so many fans absolutely freak about the idea of spiritual matters being taken seriously in a science fiction setting, without such questions being dismissed by yet another false god/technobabble footnote?

nuBSG certainly seems to be heading in the direction of having real gods/spiritual matters, and nobody is "freaking out" about that. In fact, a lot of us like it.

 

[GilmourD]

Vanguard?

 

[RobertScorpio]

I'd say he is wrong. 600+ hours of TV TREK is enough, for now, IMO. Let the new movie franchise exist with out any distraction..

Rob
Scorpio

 

[maryh]

I think that any spin-off has to come from this new movie itself and what the new fan base wants. The new fans probably won't want a DS9 spin-off or VOY. They won't care about the Dominion War or the Cardasians.

They should focus on what new, younger fans want from what they see in this new movie. If THEY see Nero & Co and want Romulans - OK. If THEY see Star Fleet Academy and want to see more - OK. Perhaps THEY will like sick bay and want a series revolving around a physician serving aboard a star ship. Gotta go with what the next generation wants when it see the new movie -- providing it does well at the BO.

 

[Eric Cheung]

DS9 writers always say that the Franchise has to get off of starships, but that dog don't hunt - hence, everyone since DS9 including and especially Abrams sets their stories aboard starships.

Actually according to Memory Alpha, Enterprise was originally supposed to have its entire first season take place on Earth as the construction of the NX-01 took place. That they didn't do it suggests they thought similarly. But I think DS9 worked wonderfully.

I think that the universe is exapansive enough to allow for all kinds of series premises--it all serves as context for any show someone would want to do.

 

[captcalhoun]

Vanguard?

a series of novels that are set aboard Starbase 47, aka Vanguard, located in the Taurus Reach, an area between Klingon and Tholian space and taking place in 2265/6 so far.

 

[Rhaenys]

Is Bryan Fuller right? A series in the Kirk era, but not on the E?

No. I don't want to see another prequel Star Trek series. I think they should do a sequel, happening after Nemesis. A year after, 10 years or 100, I don't really care, but I want a sequel.

 

[The Wormhole]

If Trek were to return to TV, they should have it set in the late 24th century or possibly even the 25th.

 

[RobertScorpio]

If Trek were to return to TV, they should have it set in the late 24th century or possibly even the 25th.

The dynamcis of the situation are clear they will not have any TREK that has anything to do with Berman era. they'd have to pay him...

I am still of the opinion that there is an over abundance of TREK TV shows...and the reason none of these ideas will work is because, even now, it is over saturated...

I say let this movie series be without distraction for at least four or five years....

Rob

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I don't think the time period matters at all. I also don't think a new TV show needs to ba "about" anything other than space exploration -- it doesn't need to be about a time ship, it doesn't need to be about the Earth-Romulan war, it doesn't need to be about the Titan. It just needs to be about a group of interesting people in a spaceship, exploring.

Enterprise didn't fail because it was a prequel; it failed because many of its episodes were poorly executed. The most important thing for any new Star Trek TV show is that it is acted well, directed well, written well, and is generally well executed. That could be done while taking place in any time period, even the TOS time period.

 

[Rhaenys]

I am still of the opinion that there is an over abundance of TREK TV shows...and the reason none of these ideas will work is because, even now, it is over saturated...

I say let this movie series be without distraction for at least four or five years....

Rob

I agree.
They should do or movies or series. Not both.

I personally like ST more in a series format, so I would like to see a new series more, but there were 4 series in last 20 years and they are doing movies now so they should stick only with that. At least for a couple of years.

I don't think the time period matters at all. I also don't think a new TV show needs to ba "about" anything other than space exploration -- it doesn't need to be about a time ship, it doesn't need to be about the Earth-Romulan war, it doesn't need to be about the Titan. It just needs to be about a group of interesting people in a spaceship, exploring.

Enterprise didn't fail because it was a prequel; it failed because many of its episodes were poorly executed. The most important thing for any new Star Trek TV show is that it is acted well, directed well, written well, and is generally well executed. That could be done while taking place in any time period, even the TOS time period.

I agree with your post, too. But somehow I'm always more interested in sequels. It's a matter of personal taste, I guess. I don't really want to watch something, when I know how is everything going to evolve and finish. Especially if they are going to stick with canon. If they are not, then we have another type of problem.
I think that canon is important. They don't have to stick with everything, but if canon restricts them too much, if they are going to ignore for example the whole TNG era, then they shouldn't do more Star Trek. They could just start a new sci fi series in space and they can have all freedom they want.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I am still of the opinion that there is an over abundance of TREK TV shows...and the reason none of these ideas will work is because, even now, it is over saturated...

I say let this movie series be without distraction for at least four or five years....

Rob

I agree.
They should do or movies or series. Not both.

I personally like ST more in a series format, so I would like to see a new series more, but we there were 4 series in last 20 years and they are doing movies and they should stick only with that.

I agree..either do one series or do the movie franchise. TREKDOME has NEVER recovered from splitting audience (TNG is better..no DS9 is better..no..Voyager is better). All it did was fragment the base...

Do one series or one movie..it can't get more simpler than that..

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Warp Coil]

Right now, everything rests on the success of Abram's film. If Star Trek ('09) is a success, then I think it needs to stay on the big screen for a good long while. Make a couple of really good films. Keep the fans wanting more. Then, down the road, consider the possibility of spinning the new film franchise off to the small screen again, with a series that is set in the same universe and time period as Abrams' new Trek.