Read & Reread "Greater Than The Sum"- My Opinion (Spoilers)

[Christopher]

I've never really gotten Trek's whole anti-sex thing either. But at the same time, I'm glad that the shows didn't try to be sexy very often because more often than not, when they did it it just didn't work. Probably one of the best examples I can come up with would be the Enterpise episode where Hoshi shirt get stuck and pulled off as she's climbing out of a Jeffreies tube. Because I'm sorry but that was just ridiculous.

Certainly Enterprise was quite juvenile in its attempts at titillation, but none of the other shows came anywhere near those depths. Even VGR, with all its full-length shots of Seven of Nine in her catsuit, rarely contrived gratuitous excuses to get her in her underwear or put her in compromising bondage positions with a male senior officer.

 

[wizkid]

All forms of sex ed are going to fail. That is why they are called accidents.

By the same reasoning, all forms of driver's ed will fail, too, because there are always accidents. Yet we don't tell kids "Don't drive until you're an adult, and then just figure it out on your own."

The original poster pointed out that teaching abstinence only has failed and wanted to know why well known political people still say they should teach it. I was making the very point you were making toward me but I should be less dry on the interweb where you can't read into dry sarcasam. Amy, please take no offense to what I just said as it is meant to be constructive and not the other way around.

My point was light hearted that no matter what we teach or do, we will still have problems.

My point about the inner light is also done in the same way. Let's name the 10 best episodes of TNG and see which one's involve sex in a Yar/Data or Riker/Alien way. For curiosity sake only.

Sex scenes are hard to do and I object because I won't be able to hand over a ST TNG novel to my nieces until they are at an age where they can read this. I think Christopher has handled it well though from what I have read so far in GTTS.

 

[wizkid]

I've never really gotten Trek's whole anti-sex thing either. But at the same time, I'm glad that the shows didn't try to be sexy very often because more often than not, when they did it it just didn't work. Probably one of the best examples I can come up with would be the Enterpise episode where Hoshi shirt get stuck and pulled off as she's climbing out of a Jeffreies tube. Because I'm sorry but that was just ridiculous.

Juveinile is a better word.

And one that I hope I spelled correctly (but suspect I haven't).

Juvenile is a better word and best describes Enterprise. Having 7 of 9 on Voyager was handled only moderately better IMHO. If she is going to be a crewman, wear a Star Fleet uniform, not a liquid cast 0.0001" thick film of future spandex.

 

[Amy Sisson]

The original poster pointed out that teaching abstinence only has failed and wanted to know why well known political people still say they should teach it.

Amy, please take no offense to what I just said as it is meant to be constructive and not the other way around.

No offense taken, certainly. But I do believe that the abstinence-only approach fails a whole lot more than the information-based approach.

 

[wizkid]

The original poster pointed out that teaching abstinence only has failed and wanted to know why well known political people still say they should teach it.

Amy, please take no offense to what I just said as it is meant to be constructive and not the other way around.

No offense taken, certainly. But I do believe that the abstinence-only approach fails a whole lot more than the information-based approach.

I think all combined are more effective. As to which approach is better? We may never really know.

Most of my friends that got knocked up at a young age (high school) knew better, were taught how to prevent this in school, and yet still got pregnant. Probably because they were like the Enterprise writers and acted juvenile or gave in to peer pressure and avoided the obvious birth control choices.

 

[JD]

I've never really gotten Trek's whole anti-sex thing either. But at the same time, I'm glad that the shows didn't try to be sexy very often because more often than not, when they did it it just didn't work. Probably one of the best examples I can come up with would be the Enterpise episode where Hoshi shirt get stuck and pulled off as she's climbing out of a Jeffreies tube. Because I'm sorry but that was just ridiculous.

Certainly Enterprise was quite juvenile in its attempts at titillation, but none of the other shows came anywhere near those depths. Even VGR, with all its full-length shots of Seven of Nine in her catsuit, rarely contrived gratuitous excuses to get her in her underwear or put her in compromising bondage positions with a male senior officer.

I guess not, it's just that that scene always comes to mind for me whenever this topic gets brought up. But now that I think about it more, the only other scene that I can think of from another Trek show that was that juvenile was when q made 7's clothes dissapear, and that was supposed to be juvenile.

 

[Steve Roby]

Sex scenes are hard to do and I object because I won't be able to hand over a ST TNG novel to my nieces until they are at an age where they can read this.

Your nieces may be as wonderful as my nieces, but I can't say I want any of our nieces determining what I can read.

 

[Trent Roman]

No offense taken, certainly. But I do believe that the abstinence-only approach fails a whole lot more than the information-based approach.

I think all combined are more effective. As to which approach is better? We may never really know.

Abstinence-only programs, by definition, cannot be combined with other appraoches (because then they wouldn't only be "teaching" abstinence).

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[wizkid]

No offense taken, certainly. But I do believe that the abstinence-only approach fails a whole lot more than the information-based approach.

I think all combined are more effective. As to which approach is better? We may never really know.

Abstinence-only programs, by definition, cannot be combined with other appraoches (because then they wouldn't only be "teaching" abstinence).

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

I see your point but they can be combined with "how you get here classes." ;-)

We do live in an imperfect world. I was taught both ways so it can done.

 

[Christopher]

^^Teaching the basics of procreation and calling it sex education is like teaching the alphabet and calling it a grounding in English literature. And teaching abstinence is like teaching people not to read books lest they be exposed to unhealthy or disapproved ideas.

 

[Dayton Ward]

And teaching abstinence is like teaching people not to read books lest they be exposed to unhealthy or disapproved ideas.

Well, to be fair, many of those who advocate the former are also pretty big on pushing the latter, as well, at least so far as "certain" books are concerned.

 

[Dayton3]

I personally loathe the idea of having sex in Star Trek at all.

Of course, I prefer an all male crew as well.

 

[Dayton Ward]

Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!

 

[PaulSimpson]

Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!

Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?

 

[William Leisner]

I personally loathe the idea of having sex in Star Trek at all.

Which would have meant no Next Generation...

Of course, I prefer an all male crew as well.

How about we meet halfway? An all-male crew with lots of sex?

 

[Dayton Ward]

Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!

Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?

Haven't you been paying attention? Trek writers can't or won't write for strong female characters.

 

[PaulSimpson]

Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!

Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?

Haven't you been paying attention? Trek writers can't or won't write for strong female characters.

Write for them? Or write them?

 

[William Leisner]

Star Trek: The He-Man Woman Haters Club, coming this fall to Spike!

Guest starring Kate Mulgrew as the ghost of Kathryn Janeway?

Haven't you been paying attention? Trek writers can't or won't write for strong female characters.

And what does Kathryn Janeway have to do with "strong female characters"?

 

[Christopher]

I personally loathe the idea of having sex in Star Trek at all.

If you don't want to have sex in Star Trek, you could always buy Battlestar Galactica bedsheets instead.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I prefer an all male crew as well.

What's the appeal of that, if you don't mind my asking?