Generations is so good.

[EEE]

I haven't seen it in a while but I don't remember it being said that you could exit the Nexus at any place and time of your choosing.

Guinan quite explicitly tells Picard that he can go anywhere and anywhen.

I took that to mean he had that choice when he went into the nexus. Sort of a "choose your own heaven" scenario, which for me explained Soran's obsession and addiction to get back.

Plot holes are often found in Trek. My only real gripe is as mentioned above... the character of Capt Kirk earned a much more heroic death (as did the original Enterprise in The Search For Spock).

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

It's been awhile since I've seen the movie. Does Picard specifically announce that he wants to go back to that specific time and that specific place? If he didn't it could be that his thoughts were all jumbled up, and his mind was going back to that point. I suppose, though, that you could counter that with the counter-argument of Picard usually being level-headed about things.

 

[Supernuke]

I enjoyed this movie too. I enjoyed Data's first use of the emotion chip most of all, though. I found that really interesting. The one thing I didn't think fit was Picard crying about his brother's family burning to death in a fire. On the show Picard NEVER showed that much emotion.

 

[Jon1701]

"Generations" encumpases nearly everything a TNG movie should be. IT sticks true to the characters, has some character developement, "feels" like TNG, looks like TNG, and has a good score to boot (though I am a BIG fan of the next two TNG movie scores).


"First Contact" was just "okay". It's nothing special, suffers from studio interference, and tries to do things with the characters that just doesn't "feel" right. And to top it off, it's just another actiony Borg pic. Much like a random Bord episode of Voyager.


"Insurrection" is heart was in the right place, but it still failed. At least it's better than FC.


"Nemesis" is unforgivably bad.

Thats a pretty good assesment.

First Contact is an okay film. Its good but not great.

The characters in Generations are still the characters we know and love. I don't know who that bald bloke is who spits out

"I....will make them paaaaaaaaaaay for what they've donnnnnnnne"

but it isn't Jean luc Picard.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I enjoyed this movie too. I enjoyed Data's first use of the emotion chip most of all, though. I found that really interesting. The one thing I didn't think fit was Picard crying about his brother's family burning to death in a fire. On the show Picard NEVER showed that much emotion.

Yeah, he did. He cried in "Family."

 

[tharpdevenport]

And his emotional outburst: "Not good enoigh damnit, not good enough!"

 

[ClayinCA]

Well at lease Generations was better than The Final Frontier and Nemesis.

Don't agree at all in the case of The Final Frontier - as misguided as it was, that film at least had some heart, and its plot holes are nothing like as vast as those in Generations.

David R. George III's novel Crucible: Kirk: The Star to Every Wandering explains Generations very well. It gives more background to the film and makes it make sense.

Just one of many, many reasons why it's a superb novel.

 

[Supernuke]

I enjoyed this movie too. I enjoyed Data's first use of the emotion chip most of all, though. I found that really interesting. The one thing I didn't think fit was Picard crying about his brother's family burning to death in a fire. On the show Picard NEVER showed that much emotion.

Yeah, he did. He cried in "Family."

Fine then RARELY did he ever show that much emotion.

 

[Falcor5]

I enjoyed this movie too. I enjoyed Data's first use of the emotion chip most of all, though. I found that really interesting. The one thing I didn't think fit was Picard crying about his brother's family burning to death in a fire. On the show Picard NEVER showed that much emotion.

Yeah, he did. He cried in "Family."

Fine then RARELY did he ever show that much emotion.

Well considering he had just heard his only real family just died I think you can see why he would show emotions.

 

[Supernuke]

Although I can see why he might have done that, I don't think it was in character for him to cry like that in front of a crew member. It just wasn't Picard-like to me. Sorry, it's just my opinion.

 

[Tan Ru]

Yes. Generations good.

First Contact. Better.

 

[Praetor]

'Generations' is good if you don't start to analyze it and break down the holes in the plot. It maintains the feel and character development of the series better than the subsequent films and it's cool to see the D in movie-quality. (It pisses me off that it's the last time that we see the D but I digress.) I still enjoy it more than Nemesis and Insurrection.

 

[EEE]

(It pisses me off that it's the last time that we see the D but I digress.)

At least the TNG crowd's Enterprise got a decent and glorious technicolor'ish death. My favorite Enterprise got... fizzle-poof!

 

[Ziz]

One of the things I love about Generations was how it showed three different attitudes towards time and aging - Soran is trying to fight it, Picard is trying to accept it and Kirk is trying to ignore/deny it.

 

[LutherSloan]

I say that the only positive thing about 'Generations' is that it's slightly better than "The Final Frontier' and 'Insurrection'.

 

[CaptainStoner]

I haven't seen it in a while but I don't remember it being said that you could exit the Nexus at any place and time of your choosing.

Guinan quite explicitly tells Picard that he can go anywhere and anywhen.

Picard, for whatever reason, chooses to go back and confront Soran again.

David R. George III's novel Crucible: Kirk: The Star to Every Wandering explains Generations very well. It gives more background to the film and makes it make sense.

But did she say he could return anywhere, anytime? That's a hugely different thing. From a sci-fi point of view, RPG, gaming point of view, whatever, it seems to me that it would not be a given, that it would be more likely that the DM (or the writer) would have more power over where and when the character returns to reality than where they go in their fantasy. I just don't remember Picard choosing his re-integration point.
Picard's fantasy vision at Christmas wasn't out of character. I don't think Picard is that flat - if anything it's good character development for him to have this wistful longing for a family life. The vision doesn't sway him for long, but it's there. Seems perfectly in character to me.
The demise of the Enterprise-D - now that I take issue with! I take issue with it the same as Kirk - both were deserving of a better demise. Look at Kirk's fight in ST3, compared to his fight with Soran. Quite anti-climactic.

Of the TNG films, I think Generations is the most under-rated.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Although I can see why he might have done that, I don't think it was in character for him to cry like that in front of a crew member. It just wasn't Picard-like to me. Sorry, it's just my opinion.

It was less consistent with earlier Picard, particularly pre-BoBW. By GEN, he's been through a lot of strange stuff, and has a well established relationship with Troi, who's been his shrink throughout. Post-Borg, after "The Inner Light", etc.
So he's not just crying in front of a crewmember. It's not as if he's down in Astrogation, and just starts bawling on some Ensign.
I like the scene also because it shows the value of Troi. Picard was unable to continue until she talked to him.

 

[RandyS]

(It pisses me off that it's the last time that we see the D but I digress.)

At least the TNG crowd's Enterprise got a decent and glorious technicolor'ish death. My favorite Enterprise got... fizzle-poof!

Yeah, that was the worst thing about Generations. The D was my favorite Enterprise too, and I was disapointed when, in First Contact, Picard's guys weren't given the same respect that Kirk's guys were when they lost their first Enterprise.

 

[cardinal biggles]

By "the same respect," I assume you're referring to the fact that Kirk got a virtually identical ship to replace the one he'd blown up.

Well, if the fans hadn't outright hated the Excelsior at the time, that's what Kirk & Co. would have gotten in return for their acts of heroism.

 

[DrTaylor]

Sure the obvious plot holes are there, but I still find it to be truest to the series out of the 4 movies (probably because it was written as the series was ending.)

Except the lights were set on low, which has always bugged me.

Picard was a smart enough character to leave the Nexus at a point BEFORE the Amagosa Observatory was attacked, when he could have simply arrested Soran for trafficking in the illegal tri-lithium and taken him into custody before he harmed any one or anything

You know, I never thought of that. Why didn't he do that?