Enterprise question

[pimp]

Hello there

I just wanted to know exactly which enterprise ship was the first one. Was Captain Kirk the first captain to command the first Enterprise ship?? OR was Captain Archer the first captain to command the first Enterprise?? so which Enterprise came first and where do these two captains fit in the story of the Federation???

Sorry people but i should have placed this post in Enterprise section and not TNG can someone move it please???

 

[FalTorPan]

The Enterprise of TNG (NCC-1701-D) is the fifth starship of the Starfleet of the United Federation of Planets to bear the name "Enterprise." The first such ship was the Constitution-class USS Enterprise, NCC-1701 -- Kirk's ship -- launched in 2245.

Archer commanded an Enterprise of the Starfleet of Earth. This ship, NX-01, was launched in 2151.

 

[nx1701g]

^ Which is why NX-01 is left out of the Federation system and why the Enterprise-D is really not the NCC-01-E.

There was also no Federation Starship Enterprise (in canon) between the time the Federation was founded and the launch of Kirk's Enterprise.

 

[pimp]

Ah ok thank you for the info, can you please tell me what is the latest Enterprise??

is it Enterprise E???

 

[Falcor5]

Ah ok thank you for the info, can you please tell me what is the latest Enterprise??

is it Enterprise E???

Yes the Enterprise E is the newest Enterprise seen in the TNG movies First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis.

 

[Deckerd]

There was also no Federation Starship Enterprise (in canon) between the time the Federation was founded and the launch of Kirk's Enterprise.

So canon simply ignores what it doesn't like?

Interesting. I always knew it was daft but not that daft.

 

[Pendragon]

...and to follow Roddenberry's canon, Robert April was the first Captain of the 1701 Connie Class Enterprise followed by Pike then Kirk.

Long story short, when Roddenberry was developing the series, he named the Enterprise's Captain Robert April, then changed it to Christopher Pike when the 1st pilot was shot and finally changed it to James Tiberius Kirk when the series was picked up by NBC. (James R Kirk was on the gravestone in "Where No Man Has Gone Before..." in the first season).

Since then, Robert April has appeared in Star Trek: The Animated Series as well as Pike having been seen in "The Menagerie".

 

[nx1701g]

There was also no Federation Starship Enterprise (in canon) between the time the Federation was founded and the launch of Kirk's Enterprise.

So canon simply ignores what it doesn't like?

Interesting. I always knew it was daft but not that daft.

Canon is a very tricky thing. Officially though there is nothing on screen to suggest that there was a ship between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701 that carried the name Enterprise. Surprisingly the novels don't even comment if there was one (but that would still be noncanon).

 

[Holdfast]

Sorry people but i should have placed this post in Enterprise section and not TNG can someone move it please???

Seems more like general trek rather than show specific, so I'll send it there.

 

[Mistral]

There was also no Federation Starship Enterprise (in canon) between the time the Federation was founded and the launch of Kirk's Enterprise.

So canon simply ignores what it doesn't like?

Interesting. I always knew it was daft but not that daft.

Not ignored. The NX-01 would have been an aging Earth Starfleet ship by the time the Articles of Federation were signed, with more advanced ships being built for the newly re-constituted UFP Starfleet. So no Enterprise at that time. Then, when the Federation had grown large enough to sustain a fleet of Connies, the name was ressurected and we got the NCC-1701.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Then, when the Federation had grown large enough to sustain a fleet of Connies, the name was ressurected and we got the NCC-1701.

That reminds me...I wonder if there has ever been an explanation given as to why so much time passed between the destruction of the Enterprise-C and the construction of the D (which wasn't launched until 20 years later).

Was the Galaxy class already on the books in 2344, and thus did Starfleet intentionally hold up the re-use of the name Enterprise until a ship of this new class could be given that name? Or was it simply a remembrance, a tribute to the loss of the C's crew?

 

[Nerys Myk]

There could be any number of ships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701. They just weren't Starfleet ships.

 

[Green Shirt]

The first such ship was the Constitution-class USS Enterprise, NCC-1701 -- Kirk's ship -- launched in 2245.

Sorry to bring this up, but the dedication plaque states the "E" is Starship Class. This is kinda like the green/gold debate, but not as intense.

 

[Timo]

That reminds me...I wonder if there has ever been an explanation given as to why so much time passed between the destruction of the Enterprise-C and the construction of the D (which wasn't launched until 20 years later).

Sounds perfectly natural to me. The E-C was lost with all hands; a successor for that ship was immediately built and launched, but Starfleet named it Robespierre or Infatiguable or something because obviously the name Enterprise was jinxed.

Really, when a ship is lost, there are two opposing practices in the navies of our planet: either another ship is immediately given the same name in order to pretend that it's business as usual, nothing to see here, move on - or then the name is retired for the time being because it's such an ill omen to sail on a ship that has already sunk.

USN was quick to field for example a second Yorktown, Lexington and Juneau during WWII to "cover" the losses. However, after the war there was no effort to give any ship the ill-fated names Intrepid or Indianapolis, and indeed the name Intrepid still seems to remain on a blacklist of some sort.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Nemesis]

a few points I want to add...

A. De defiant was a NX class. This stands for the first ship in a new class. The name of this class was the Defiant class. So I presume de Enterprise NX-01 is propably the first ship of the Enterprise class. Most likely is that also the reason that no other ship had the name Enterprise, because you had a fleet full of Enterprise class ships.

B. In season 3 of Enterprise the Enterprise-J is mentioned. So that would be the last Enterprise in a row of NCC-1701's.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

That reminds me...I wonder if there has ever been an explanation given as to why so much time passed between the destruction of the Enterprise-C and the construction of the D (which wasn't launched until 20 years later).

Sounds perfectly natural to me. The E-C was lost with all hands; a successor for that ship was immediately built and launched, but Starfleet named it Robespierre or Infatiguable or something because obviously the name Enterprise was jinxed.

Really, when a ship is lost, there are two opposing practices in the navies of our planet: either another ship is immediately given the same name in order to pretend that it's business as usual, nothing to see here, move on - or then the name is retired for the time being because it's such an ill omen to sail on a ship that has already sunk.

USN was quick to field for example a second Yorktown, Lexington and Juneau during WWII to "cover" the losses. However, after the war there was no effort to give any ship the ill-fated names Intrepid or Indianapolis, and indeed the name Intrepid still seems to remain on a blacklist of some sort.

Timo Saloniemi

This actually makes sense and I would like to add that the TNG Tech Manual states that the announcement for the plans of the Galaxy Class was in 2343 so it would seem to make perfect sense that it took so long for the D to be launched.

a few points I want to add...

A. De defiant was a NX class. This stands for the first ship in a new class. The name of this class was the Defiant class. So I presume de Enterprise NX-01 is propably the first ship of the Enterprise class. Most likely is that also the reason that no other ship had the name Enterprise, because you had a fleet full of Enterprise class ships.

You're incorrect on 2 counts. First, The Defiant (NX-74205) was a Defiant Class and not an NX Class. We first saw the NX designation on the Excelsior (NX-2000) in ST:III, TSFS and it appeared through the contemporary late 24th Century timeline (as noted on the Defiant) and denotes an experimental vessel and not a specific class name.

The only time NX has ever been a Class is on ENT.

B. In season 3 of Enterprise the Enterprise-J is mentioned. So that would be the last Enterprise in a row of NCC-1701's.

Well, it would be the last for that time period. What was that, the late 26th century? Who says there aren't more Enterprises after that?

-Shawn

 

[Timo]

You're incorrect on 2 counts. First, The Defiant (NX-74205) was a Defiant Class and not an NX Class.

I thought that's what Nemesis said?

With the minor modification that he called all the NX-registered prototypes in Starfleet history "NX class". Which IMHO is a cool idea for terminology: Archer's ship would have been of Enterprise class for the same reason the Defiant was of Defiant class, but Starfleet would also be in the habit of referring to its experimental or prototype ships in each class as "NX class" or "NX category" or "NX rate" or something like that.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Borg Queen]

Wasn't there a boat called "Enterprise" in the opening titles of Enterprise? Wouldn't that count as a canon one?

 

[Timo]

Probably. (It's fictional, BTW: there's never been a HMS Enterprize in RN records, at least not by that spelling. Or so it was determined on this board when the show started.)

Incidentally, this also establishes that the very first Enterprise can never be established, because the show itself retains the right of inventing new old Enterprises as it pleases.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The first such ship was the Constitution-class USS Enterprise, NCC-1701 -- Kirk's ship -- launched in 2245.

Sorry to bring this up, but the dedication plaque states the "E" is Starship Class. This is kinda like the green/gold debate, but not as intense.

The plaque is irrelevant. The 1701 is Constitution class, everyone knows that. Picard even said so in "Relics" when he entered the holodeck re-creation of its bridge.

The 1701 was a Starship *type*, but Constitution *class*.