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[Spoilers] Review - Myriad Universe Bk 2: Echoes and Refractions

While it did seem in the second that everyone was thrown in, I do wonder what happened to Bashir...
Meant to reply to this sooner: I just didn't have a place for Bashir. The only time I needed a CMO was on the Defiant, and I thought putting him there would be a bit contrived. While there were lots of familiar characters, I tried to make sure that they were there for a reason. (Sometimes it was a plot reason -- I wanted the Lexington at Starbase 375 because the death of Gilaad ben Zoma would hit Picard harder than the death of some guy we never heard of.)
 
Read the first story-liked it a lot. Very interesting turns of events due to Spock/Kirk's deaths. More when I finish the rest, I guess.
 
So far I have read the first two stories and enjoyed them both. Sometimes I do wonder if the authors have a sadistic streak since it seems that they revel in kicking alternate versions of the characters in the teeth since they aren't "our" charcters :-)

Re: "A Gutted World"


Going in I assumed the title would be referring to an even more abused Bajor but instead it reffered to the entire Alpha Quadrant. It was facinating and chilling seeing the Founders' plans in action and its effects on a battered and exhausted Alpha Quadrant.

I am not afraid to admit I was completed fooled by that twist. I had assumed the Wormhole just had never been discovered and that these hostilies were the result of not having a common, larger, enemy in the Dominion.

I know there was no room for it in the story, but I would have loved to see how some Cardassian captain was able to convince the Prophets to let them use the wormhole. Maybe he lost his wife at Setlik III and "existed there." :-)
 
Finished reading "A Gutted World" and I have to say it was another great story. I'll give a more detailed review after I've finished the last story.
 
I recently finished reading this book and really liked all the stories in this book. All the stories were well told and I want to say to the authors bravo.Looking forward to the next book in this series.:bolian: The last story was really interesting. It was nice to see Ro and Sito again and Data.
 
My copy of Echoes and Refractions finally arrived in the mail yesterday and I quickly set about reading it. I loved all of the stories. The first two are very dark but I think that's just in contrast to the aired versions of the events which pretty much worked out in the best way possible for our heroes.
 
I recently finished reading this book and really liked all the stories in this book. All the stories were well told and I want to say to the authors bravo.Looking forward to the next book in this series.:bolian: The last story was really interesting. It was nice to see Ro and Sito again and Data.


I have to say I felt the last story was alittle flat. It liked the premise and it had interesting ideas but it had way to much awkward cheezy sci-fi exposition where characters tell each other stuff they all already know just so we can overhear it.
 
I didn't much care for Brave New World either. The use of the Iconian gateways was interesting, except for one big no-no: giving the technology to *everyone*, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc. I didn't think they would seriously put the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction to use! :wtf: MAD works with nuclear bombs, but not with something like this - Iconian tech can be used 'sneakily', i.e. you can get a garrison of troops into your enemy's capital *without their ever knowing* until the last minute. Giving it to everyone, friend and foe alike, seems extremely irresponsible.

And I thought the androids were going to revolt or something: i.e. Data would return, lead an android revolution, and Federation society would collapse. As it stands, what happened? Some give-and-take with the Romulans?

Didn't like the ending, either. Everyone's in an android body now? :rolleyes:
 
I didn't much care for Brave New World either. The use of the Iconian gateways was interesting, except for one big no-no: giving the technology to *everyone*, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc. I didn't think they would seriously put the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction to use! :wtf: MAD works with nuclear bombs, but not with something like this - Iconian tech can be used 'sneakily', i.e. you can get a garrison of troops into your enemy's capital *without their ever knowing* until the last minute. Giving it to everyone, friend and foe alike, seems extremely irresponsible.

And I thought the androids were going to revolt or something: i.e. Data would return, lead an android revolution, and Federation society would collapse. As it stands, what happened? Some give-and-take with the Romulans?

Didn't like the ending, either. Everyone's in an android body now? :rolleyes:

It seemed like the idealistic future to me where you grow old then are young and alive forever in a strong body. It reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode with an old guy who saves up for a new android body but he can only afford it for him and not his wife. In the end he decides to keep his human one knowing he'll be dead in a few months.
 
KRAD-just finished 2cnd story-WOW! Shame it had to end. I could have kept reading...

Gotta ask-did you sit down and say, "Gee, how can I kill damn near every known canon character in a single story?" Cause even though the story was plausible you pretty much did that-like malice aforethought played into the writing of the story. (But I still loved it!)
 
^ That was less the intent than a fortuitous side effect. :evil:

Seriously, though, one of the issues I had with the whole Dominion War storyline was that the consequences were almost entirely off-camera. The exceptions were Nog losing a leg and Kor dying. The only other known characters who actually died during the war were Jadzia and Gowron, and they weren't even actual casualties of war.

I wanted, in essence, a Dominion War story that had more significant consequence to the characters we were familiar with.
 
I guess I must be more of a sadist than I thought, becuase reading that review made me even more excited for the first two stories. That's one of the things I love most about the Myriad Universes concept, we can finally see what would have happened if some of the disasters from the series and movies weren't averted.
 
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The first 2 stories in this book were so good I didn't want to do anything but finish reading them. And Keith's story was one I definitely wanted to find out what happened to Kira living on Bajor with the Cardassians still in power. And Picard and his crewpaying a heavy price as well. The stories were pretty dark but I still liked them alot.These characters were going through things different experiences and choices you didn't expect to seethem go through. Differences we saw in the characters like Saavik and David having a romantic relationshi. kirk and Spock both them were dead than what we saw in the movies and tv shows.
 
Long time listener, first time caller...

Just finished reading this collection, though I must admit to reading it out of order. Actually read Brave New World first (as a huge Data fan, I just couldn't pace myself to get to the end), which, honestly, was probably a good order to read the stories in, as the optimistic ending of that one would have probably been quite a letdown for me after reading the 'gray' 'Chimes at Midnight' and the 'dark' 'A Gutted World'...

I particularly enjoyed 'A Gutted World'. As DS9 is probably my favorite series, it was very interesting to see how things would have turned out had the Dominion's plan been allowed to play out as intended. The ending is particularly pessimistic in that, given the enormous setbacks the Dominion suffered in the story (but yet far from being defeated), that the eventual outcome of the war is total anarchy as the remaining powers slowly whittle away at each other until all parties are completely spent, even the Dominion. No one has the overwhelming force necessary to bring things to any kind of end...

'The Chimes at Midnight' was another darkly inspired look at what might have been. Once I caught on that the story was going to cover the span of ST: II-VI (as opposed to just II-III), I realized things were going to completely go to crap when the Probe came a'calling, and I was not disappointed. Of all the universes visited in the Myriad Universes anthologies, though, this was the one I would be most interested in seeing the 'future' of, given the political situation at it's ending. Congrats on the characterization of Thelin, as well. Having not yet seen the Animated Series, this was a character I was totally unfamiliar with, but really felt for by the end of 'Chimes'. As well, David Marcus, someone not elaborated on much in the films beyond being Kirk's son and an anti-Starfleet scientist, gets a lot of character-building here...

Something was bugging me, though... this wasn't the first place I remember David Marcus/Saavik, right? I'm not certain about this, but I remember it from the novelization of Star Trek III, right? Was that just a coincidence or an intentional nod to that work?

'Brave New World' is a bit of a different animal from the other two. Like others, though, I was a bit baffled by the MAD solution. Maybe it was just me, too, but I would have thought that, given the myriad expressions (in form and function) of the members of the android society, that they would have exhibited a bit more of the creative spark. Since positronic technology appears to be well-understood in this world, one would think Data, et. al, would have made more of an effort to incorporate some of the more esoteric aspects of humanity into their own designs, like creativity, genius, intuition, etc. (though I admit, that would have made them seriously outclassing organics on just about every level, so I can understand it from a narrative standpoint). It does sort of raise the question, however of why Grave's synaptic transfer technique never caught on in the 'real' universe... It did, in fact, work, and he did download his memories into the Enterprise-D's computer core, which meant the knowledge wasn't lost... Even without positronic technology, you'd think something could be done with that... Oh, well...

I'll reiterate, though, well done! I can definitely tell some writers were having a fair bit of fun playing in their own sandbox for a bit, and the stories are all the better for it...
 
Something was bugging me, though... this wasn't the first place I remember David Marcus/Saavik, right? I'm not certain about this, but I remember it from the novelization of Star Trek III, right? Was that just a coincidence or an intentional nod to that work?
More from the novelization of Star Trek II, actually. The original script for TWOK strongly hinted at the seeds of a David/Saavik relationship, and there's even a short deleted scene floating around showing an element of that.

So yes, it was something I deliberately wanted to explore, since the filmmakers chose not to. :)
 
Actually read Brave New World first (as a huge Data fan, I just couldn't pace myself to get to the end), which, honestly, was probably a good order to read the stories in, as the optimistic ending of that one would have probably been quite a letdown for me after reading the 'gray' 'Chimes at Midnight' and the 'dark' 'A Gutted World'...

I keep hearing that readers are interpreting Brave New World as having an upbeat ending. I find that interesting, given the sentiments expressed by the characters in the epilogue. I was rather unsettled by them when I first read it, and author Chris Roberson confirmed that "unsettling" was exactly what he was going for.
 
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