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AICN Skewers "The Clone Wars"

I don't know about that, but I definitely would have liked to have seen him animate this movie.

I don't mind the look of the prequels. On that front, Lucas hired some extraordinary artists and designers.
 
It's just a series of battles. Nothing happens.

As opposed to what?
What do you mean opposed to what? Like...maybe anything I could remotely care about? Battles are good and all, but the whole series was just a flip-book of battle sequences in different locations.

I'm sure a lot of fanboys just loved watching cartoon Mace fly around like superman on some random nameless planet for a whole episode
So those of us (including the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences) who appreciated the shorts for what they were--we're a bunch of fanboys, just because you didn't care for Clone Wars?
No, I said, "I'm sure the fanboys enjoyed [the battle montage]" But that I did not. That's not an attack on fanboys, I am one myself you know, though my interest in SW is more casual and OT orientated.

Obviously people liked it for some reason, presumably there IS a reason other than it just being SW. But I don't know what it is.

for a whole episode

Five minutes. :vulcan: The episodes were five minutes.

Yeah, not much there. "Episode" is really not the right word. "random scene" would be better.

As I already said, it was not for me. That doesn't mean I hate it, I just found it bland, and don't understand the hype for it. It's essentially a shorter cartoonier version of the PT, yet some people who didn't like the PT for some reason love it.

So, what was so awesome about it, exactly? I must have blinked and missed it.
 
I saw it and it was pretty bad. spoilers Dooku looked ridiculous and Obi-Wan's voice was pretty bad, Anakin was also off. Ahsoka started out OK (although too un-Jedilike without explanation) but the bantering was unending and got painful. Amidala was thrown in, and so was Mace Windu, cutting to him and Yoda hurt the beginning. The action scenes are standard only with no stakes (the fighting between Obi-Wan and Ventress and Anakin & Dooku did feel pointless). It was cool to see Republic commanders with Imperial-like uniforms, and my favorite moments were seeing Obi-Wan in his ridiculous starfighter and Ahsoka saying "This is where the fun begins", more fitting & a good setup for its use in Sith.
 
I thought this movie was okay, not deserving of the massive negative critical response it has engendered.

I didn't care for the animation style, but I blame the Clone Wars cartoon for that. However, the characters' movements were too stiff and jerky at times and it really messed up the lightsaber battles. I also feel that the lightsaber duels were pretty lackluster, particularly Anakin's and Dooku's. I was wanting a little bit more there. I found it a bit unbelievable that Anakin would first leave Ashoka Tano to fight Asajj Ventress and later that Ashoka would hold her own against three Magna Guards, which are supposed to be the baddest of the bad of Grevious's soldiers. I know they weren't supposed to kill her, but they didn't even do a good job trying to stun her or capture her.

Rotta the Huttlet wasn't as annoying as I thought he would be, but something didn't sit right with me about Ziro the Hutt. Was he supposed to be inspired by Cajuns or Creoles? There was a Jar Jar Binks air about him, and really he was totally unnecessary. His only purpose seemed to be to give Padme a reason to be in the film, and she wasn't really necessary either.

The banter between Ashoka and Anakin did get to be a bit much in places, however, and I did think she came off as way too headstrong, but then again I guess that would be the case for Anakin's padawan. I wonder if they are both supposed to teach each other how to be better Jedi.

Though the Jedi/Sith battles were too stiff, I thought the overall battle scenes flowed pretty well. I wonder if maybe the PT would have been better if it had all been animated.

The voice work was pretty good. I thought Ventress was very well portrayed and quite sexy too. I do have a nitpick though. In the comics, she gave Anakin his scar when he had the long hairdo from ROTS, which I'm assuming came after this film. Unless he grew his hair long, cut it, and let it grow back out. It leads me to wonder how much the creators will adhere to what came before in the cartoons, books, and novels, which I think did a pretty good job covering the Clone Wars.

Ultimately I think this film suffered most from its fairly average story. I don't think it was a big enough story to put on the silver screen. It served as a pretty good introduction to Ashoka and Ventress, but it also felt too short. The music wasn't that great either. What happened to the John Williams Star Wars theme? And I was hoping for Duels of the Fates for Anakin v. Dooku. Oh well. I'll be checking out the series regardless.

Here's hoping the movie does well because I would love to see perhaps Episodes 7-9, if they ever come to pass, done in animated form.
 
It's just a series of battles. Nothing happens.

As opposed to what?
What do you mean opposed to what? Like...maybe anything I could remotely care about? Battles are good and all, but the whole series was just a flip-book of battle sequences in different locations.

This is basically how I remember the cartoon. Like the Matrix 2 action scenes, when you know that the characters aren't in any kind of jeopardy and the focus is on a 5-10 minute dreary action sequence, you instantly become disengaged.

I'm all for action porn, but if it's just constant action "money shots", what's the point? How many lightsaber duels or starship explosions do you really need to see in a lifetime?
 
I'm all for action porn, but if it's just constant action "money shots", what's the point? How many lightsaber duels or starship explosions do you really need to see in a lifetime?

This from somebody with a scene from the original Clone Wars as an avatar. :shifty:
 
^ Uh, that's not from Clone Wars; the caption beneath the picture states that it's by someone called 'aimo', and that it shows Atton Rand and a version of the Jedi Exile (from Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords). I'm not sure why you think it comes from Clone Wars; the lines aren't as thick as girders and the poses are naturalistic.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Yeah, it's from a KoTOR2 fan art thingie. I really don't know about art to make any kind of objective comparison, but story-wise, KoTOR/KoTOR2 does everything Star Wars should do AND still reach the same "teen" audience that the cartoons were going after.
 
Totally agree. I've often thought those games, with some adaptations, would be the ideal basis for the live-action TV series.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I saw it today with a friend. I give it a 3/4 stars or maybe a high 2.5/4 stars. It wasn't The Empire Strikes Back or Revenge of the Sith. But then, I wasn't expecting it to be. I expected it would be a simpler story that would lok nice and be enjoyable. It did all that.

Now, there were some pacing problems in the second half but I felt the first half was excellent. The problems with that second half brought it down, though. The Ziro the Hutt thing was bad, some of the scenes on Tatooine went on forever and the ending minute was terribly awkward.

I'm looking forward to what the show has to offer. I do question releasing it in theaters but it looked cool on the big screen.
 
I saw this today, and went in expecting the absolute worst, and was pleasantly surprised.

The bad (for me) - The animation was the biggest letdown. Most of the scenes on the Republic ships were too dark and some of the characters were just plain horrid to look at...Dooku was absolutely atrocious. Definitely preferred Genndy's style to this one.

The separatist droids were too stupid. Why would anyone build an army of imbeciles?? Most of their shenanigans fell flat. My 7 year old found them funny though.

Certain plot points being shoved in your face, it was worst in the first battle, but came up again toward the end with Anakin and Ahsoka flying about in their little ship.

The whole first battle was terrible, random explosions, horrid direction, just all over the place for no real reason. I was starting to think it was going to be all terrible, but it seemed to calm down a little once Obi Wan and Anakin split up. Now I'm either getting too old or something, but boy was it loud in the cinema, even my kid had his hands over his ears.

The good! - I was expecting "skyguy this and skyguy that", but the kid said it twice! Big deal. Anakin endlessly calling her Snips was a bit old by the end though. I think they definitely went a step in a better direction with Ahsoka. She had a bit of spunk, although they seemed to Mary Sue her a little, getting Anakin out of a few too many jams. Baby Hutt wasn't that terrible for a plot device either, it could of been worse.

I really liked Captain Rex, I don't remember him from the movies or CW, but he was probably my favourite addition to the series. When he told Anakin "the mission comes first", aww, it broke my little heart, even if they are just clones. I thought a lot of the background chatter amongst the clones added more to the battle scenes than Obi Wan or the Sean Connery impersonator who played the commander of the droids at the start. Atmospheric even amongst the crappy battle sequences.

Ventress was smoking. Seriously, they really sexed her up.

I think there was almost the right amount of force powers on show. While it was fun to see the droids wiped out easily by Yoda in CW, the scaling back here felt realistic, if there is such a thing!

There was a little humour and not just the laugh everyone is bound to spit out when Uncle Ziro comes on screen. I actually out loud said OMG! and laughed my ass off when I saw him. He just wasn't in it long enough for me to be annoyed. The fact he was speaking in common, eh, he was in Coruscant, I can forgive him for learning the local lingo or whatever.

In the end, a lot of the complaints people have been going crazy about were small. I found this a step up from TPM and AoTC. No-one is in the same league as Jar Jar or Baby Anakin anyways. Does it in the end matter we all know the main guys are going to make it? It's no different to reading the comics or novels or whatever, it just adds more to the story as a whole. Personally, I hope we see a whole lot more of how and why Anakin falls to the dark side. At least small pieces of the puzzle that will slot in well.

Perhaps the biggest fault is releasing it to big screens, when it would of been fine enough as a TV/DVD release. It's never going to surpass a childhood memory, but it was fun enough for what it was.

Whoops, ETA: And in the great tradition of the PT Animations, the romance between Anakin and Padme is light years ahead of the actual actors performance. They had one look in the movie but it said more than the whole 'sand' thing!
 
AICN can go and fuck themselves. Every piece of shit article on that site is little more than a random mismatch of hyperbolic adjectives and too many damn exclamation marks.

They don't "review" anything. They decide whether or not they like something, then either masturbate over the keyboard or smear shit over the screen accordingly.
 
AICN can go and fuck themselves. Every piece of shit article on that site is little more than a random mismatch of hyperbolic adjectives and too many damn exclamation marks.

They don't "review" anything. They decide whether or not they like something, then either masturbate over the keyboard or smear shit over the screen accordingly.

It's annoying when internet reviewers are totally extreme and exaggerated in their viewpoints, isn't it? I think we're all a little poorer for their hyperbole. !!!;)
 
I didn't care for the animation style, but I blame the Clone Wars cartoon for that. However, the characters' movements were too stiff and jerky at times and it really messed up the lightsaber battles.

I think they were a bit jerk in their moviements because they were insspired by the Thunderbirds show. So the characters moved like marionettes. I didn't care much for that and it distracted at times.

Rotta the Huttlet wasn't as annoying as I thought he would be, but something didn't sit right with me about Ziro the Hutt.

Ziro the Hutt was based on Truman Capote.
 
^^I was going to say Tennesse Williams but Capote works too.


I enjoyed the film and really look forward to the series.

Kalysto, the droids are a play on irony. Like Obi-Wan said in the prequels: "If Droids could think....." We assume because droids are machines, they think and calculate faster than we do. That's not so in the Star Wars universe, besides Astromech Droids many others aren't made well or programmed to be smart. If they did, droids like IG-88 or 4-LOM would rule and humans might become the hunted. That is why they mindwipe them all the time. A dumb droid is a docile droid.
 
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