Vulcanian/Vulcan

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  1. Warp14

    Warp14 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    What episode did everyone stop referring to Spock as a Vulcanian and start calling him a Vulcan?
     
  2. Warp14

    Warp14 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Found it, no thanks to you guys.

    This Side of Paradise.

    In fact, Spock is called both Vulcanian and Vulcan within the same episode.

    Farmhouse
    ELIAS: You've known the Vulcanian?
    LEILA: On Earth, six years ago.
    ELIAS: Did you love him?

    Transporter room
    KIRK: Your father was a computer, like his son. An ambassador from a planet of traitors. A Vulcan never lived who had an ounce of integrity.
    SPOCK: Captain, please don't

    I love those Star Trek inconsistencies. As long as they're canon :rolleyes:
     
  3. Captain Pike

    Captain Pike Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    I always assumed the two were perfectly interchangeable synonyms.
     
  4. Warp14

    Warp14 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I'm rapidly losing cool points by responding to myself, however...

    In The Menagerie Part 1, Kirk says:
    Miss Piper, a Vulcan can no sooner be disloyal than he can exist without breathing. That goes for his present commander as well as his past.

    I am certain that is the first time Spock is called a Vulcan. Pretty sure.
     
  5. A beaker full of death

    A beaker full of death Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Wow. You're a real charmer. So the purpose of this thread was what, exactly? Virtual masturbation?

    yeah, no race has ever been called by more than one term. I was just remarking upon that to a Negro friend of mine the other day.

    That ship has sailed.
     
  6. ClayinCA

    ClayinCA Commodore Commodore

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    What beaker said (and by the way, that's an awesome avatar)!
     
  7. Ronald Held

    Ronald Held Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Perhaps one is due to a poorer translation of the Vulcan term?
     
  8. Timo

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    I wonder if "the Vulcan term" is a word that sounds a bit like "vulcan" or a word that means volcano even though it sounds something like "Krookhkz"...

    Personally, I like to think that Vulcan is the planet, and Vulcania is the star empire - much like Talax is the central planet for the star empire of Talaxia, and Andor for the star empire of Andoria. Whether people choose to use one term or the other may reflect their political views, or may merely be a random choice. I'd guess most people would speak of the Vulcan species but of people of Vulcanian nationality, but apparently the latter term is not fashionable in post-TOS times.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. Warp14

    Warp14 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Sorry, my bad. I appreciate the answers.

     
  10. Nedersong

    Nedersong Captain

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    Hnmmmm...

    Americanians.
    Mexicanians.
    Texicanians.
    Californianianianss.
    Arabianians.
    Frenchianian.
    Canadianian.
    Australianian.
    Jewishianian.


    Hmmmmm.... the posibilities are endless when you add the anian suffix to any nationality there is.

    :devil:
     
  11. highlander

    highlander Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I would think they are interchangeable. Like Bajora or Bajorans, both were used to describe the inhabitants of the planet Bajor.
     
  12. Rÿcher

    Rÿcher Fleet Captain

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    I wonder who the "traitors of Kling" are.
     
  13. A beaker full of death

    A beaker full of death Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Klinginators?
     
  14. A beaker full of death

    A beaker full of death Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Thanks, dude.

    Buck up, son. I'm a sucker for contrition.
     
  15. Nerys Ghemor

    Nerys Ghemor Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That particular one was resolved in an interesting way during the Gateways series: in that, the "Bajora" were originally a nation-state, the one responsible for uniting the entire planet, which then became "Bajor."
     
  16. Phoenicianknight

    Phoenicianknight Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I believe I have also heard the phrase Vulcanoid.

    I believe it was the episode when Dr.MCoy is checking out a crew memeber, and realizes he is a Romulan.
     
  17. sbk1234

    sbk1234 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    For my own personal Trekinology, I just figured that the term "Vulcanian" specifically referred to a Vulcan/Human hybrid. Vulcan + Human = Vulcanan. Then they added the i to make it sound cooler.
    Now I'm sure someone will let me know why this explaination won't work.
     
  18. Timo

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    Going by onscreen material, I'd say "Bajora" is merely the terrorist organization which rallies the Bajoran cause in "Ensign Ro". But the explanation offered in the novels is fine, too.

    Oh, that's actually "traitors of Klin". "Klin" being for Klingons more or less what "mankind" or "manliness" is for humans. So their society is Klin ("mankind"), their homeworld is literally Klinzhai ("manhome") even though it has the proper name Qo'noS ("Earth"), they are the Klingon ("of the mankind") and they speak Klingonaase ("manliness expression tool", to paraphrase Marc Okrand!).

    What the modern Universal Translator makes of those words is a different matter.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  19. Therin of Andor

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    I didn't realise there was a 1 hour 42 min time limit on finding the answer for you. :confused:
     
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