Will William Ware Theiss get screen credit???

[Surak]

From the recently released Spock poster for Comic Con, it appears that TOS uniforms will be used (duh). So, will Bill Theiss get screen credit for designing the original Starfleet uniforms? I'd like to think so, but I'm not holding my breath.

On a related note, did Theiss get screen credit in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations"? That episode isn't listed under his name on the IMDB. I see that he was given screen credit in the fan-producted New Voyages.

 

[StewMc]

Can't remember if Theiss got a credit for "Tribble-ations", but I do recall that Robert Fletcher got a credit whenever the TWOK uniforms were used on TNG, so its possible that Theiss did get a credit.

 

[trevanian]

Credit is a weird thing ... Wilbur and Coon didn't get any credit for TWOK, yet they wrote SPACE SEED (I think Coon created Khan from Wilbur's character, who was I believe Norweigan.)

 

[pookha]

the whole credit thing is even more difficult considering that contracts have changed over the years.

one era credit may be required and another era not.

 

[Kryton]

All good points...remember that the whole RESIDUALS thing didn't kick in until season 3, which is one reason those shows didn't play as much during the repeat '70s.

 

[Cranston]

It would be a nice nod, even if it isn't required for some reason (though I suspect it might -- Alexander Courage always gets credit for the Trek fanfare).

 

[Surak]

Thanks for the replies everybody. Here's to hoping he gets credit.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

Ware Theiss?

There Theiss!

 

[number6]

Ware Theiss?

There Theiss!

 

[M'Sharak]

Ware Theiss?

There Theiss!

Think Marty Feldman.

 

[Gepard]

Ware Theiss?

There Theiss!

Think Marty Feldman.

I got it.

 

[number6]

Ware Theiss?

There Theiss!

Think Marty Feldman.

Oh no. I totally got it. Poor choice of words on my part. There's no :groan: smiley.

may have been more to the point.

 

[Kryton]

A "sedaGIVE"?!?

 

[Bad Bishop]

From the recently released Spock poster for Comic Con, it appears that TOS uniforms will be used (duh). So, will Bill Theiss get screen credit for designing the original Starfleet uniforms? I'd like to think so, but I'm not holding my breath.

Nor should you. Theiss is dead, and obviously didn't work on this film. Thus, he should get zero credit. Of course, you knew that already, and this thread is just another variation on "The film will suck if the key grips from TOS aren't involved." Har, har, har.

 

[BillJ]

Nor should you. Theiss is dead, and obviously didn't work on this film. Thus, he should get zero credit. Of course, you knew that already, and this thread is just another variation on "The film will suck if the key grips from TOS aren't involved." Har, har, har.

You know, this is the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever read on this board.

By your logic, Gene Roddenberry and Matt Jefferies also shouldn't get screen credit. If there using the man's work (either physical or intellectual) in a film then he should get credit.

 

[Squiggy]

You know, this is the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever read on this board.

You've obviously never visited TNZ.

Also, I beleive Theiss designed the Enterprise's arrowhead emblem and divisional color scheme, which should be appearing in some form so he should get credited as "Starfleet uniforms based on original designs by William Ware Theiss" oe something along those lines as he's been credited in most post TOS Trek features.

 

[Bad Bishop]

Nor should you. Theiss is dead, and obviously didn't work on this film. Thus, he should get zero credit. Of course, you knew that already, and this thread is just another variation on "The film will suck if the key grips from TOS aren't involved." Har, har, har.

You know, this is the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever read on this board.

By your logic, Gene Roddenberry and Matt Jefferies also shouldn't get screen credit. If there using the man's work (either physical or intellectual) in a film then he should get credit.

Not really. First of all, no one here has proved that the new film uses costume designs that are so unique that they must be credited to a dead designer. Clothing is culture--it develops from a diversity of sources and trends. Theiss himself was most likely influenced by trends in the 1960's, for example the turtlenecks that were popular back then. If every costume designer demanded screen credit because someone else's work seems inspired by his or her earlier work, then the screen credits would start to look like a book-length family genealogy. Even a simpleton like you, BillJ, would agree that this is impractical.

 

[Surak]

Of course, you knew that already, and this thread is just another variation on "The film will suck if the key grips from TOS aren't involved." Har, har, har.

Fuck you. I have repeated over and over that I am sure that production design/art direction/special effects for the new film will be anywhere from good to great. My main concerns are the script, which was written by the duo who wrote Transformers, and the director, who co-wrote Armageddon. But I'll still likely see the film on opening day, and am hoping to be pleasantly suprised.

This thread was simply an attempt to start a non-sombrero related discussion in this forum. I mean a fan film can credit Theiss, why not a major Hollywood production? Go troll somewhere else.

 

[M'Sharak]

Nor should you. Theiss is dead, and obviously didn't work on this film. Thus, he should get zero credit. Of course, you knew that already, and this thread is just another variation on "The film will suck if the key grips from TOS aren't involved." Har, har, har.

You know, this is the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever read on this board.

By your logic, Gene Roddenberry and Matt Jefferies also shouldn't get screen credit. If there using the man's work (either physical or intellectual) in a film then he should get credit.

Not really. First of all, no one here has proved that the new film uses costume designs that are so unique that they must be credited to a dead designer. Clothing is culture--it develops from a diversity of sources and trends. Theiss himself was most likely influenced by trends in the 1960's, for example the turtlenecks that were popular back then. If every costume designer demanded screen credit because someone else's work seems inspired by his or her earlier work, then the screen credits would start to look like a book-length family genealogy. Even a simpleton like you, BillJ, would agree that this is impractical.

Okay, you're tied at one; you can stop with calling each other stupid now.

Bishop, while I might fault his choice of words, I think BillJ did have a point (if that was indeed the point he was making) in saying that costume design carries weight on the intellectual-property scale while a key grip's contributions do not. How much weight and for how long a period is a question to which I don't know the answer, but I'll bet someone around here does.

It was asked upthread whether Theiss received a screen credit in "Trials and Tribble-ations" for the use of TOS footage containing costumes he designed. As far as I've been able to find, (which extends only to a few quick online searches) he didn't, but I would imagine the two questions are related and the answers, too.

 

[Squiggy]