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Target XBox 360 deal

This is why I find it ironic that Sony has created the most open system of this generation, despite rampant modding on the PS2.
Making everything proprietary drove up the cost. The fact that the accessories have anywhere between a 15-25% markup at retail doesn't help either. Maybe they're afraid of the modding that happened to the original Xbox... but this is a big problem.

I also think MS isn't willing to eat the loss for the console. The rumoured 60GB standalone is meant for Arcade/Core owners, since it comes with 3 months of Live and an Ethernet cable. Blah.

That said, I still can't find myself buying 3rd party games for the PS3. The SIXAXIS and smaller player base is the biggest hurdle.
 
unimatrix7 said:
FordSVT said:
And yet neither me nor the half-dozen or so friends I have with 360s have ever had the RRoD, and statistically the majority of owners will never have any hardware problems within the normal lifespan of the console.
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Ahh, yes. 'My friends haven't had any problems, so therefore they don't exist.'
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I didn't say that, don't put words in my mouth. Of course the RRoD problem exists, I'm just tired of every person on the internet saying "everyone I know...", when statistically it should be "some of the people I know". I'm not calling you out personally, but some of those people are espousing hyperbole.

Statistically...we don't know what the statistics are, though independent research has put the figure at around 30%. Which is, umm, a bit too high.
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No place did I contradict that, and the 30% failure rate was for the original Xenon board. And yes, that is too high.

What a load of crap. I'm obsessive about the condition of my electronics, nearly to the point of OCD. My Xbox 360 sits on a stable surface, half-metre above the ground, with plenty of breathing room around the console and the power brick. It's never bumped and I never, ever, change its orientation.

And yet it still chews my discs to buggery and dies for no apparent reason.
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I'm checking my post to see if I mentioned your name anywhere.... nope, I didn't. So what the hell does your story have to do with mine? Did I say all people who've had problems helped them along?

I agree that some people agitate the machine by treating it poorly, but make no mistake: Microsoft dropped the ball here. The Xbox 360's failure rate - by comparison to any other console in history - is astronomical. People don't treat their 360s any different than they treated their PS3s, Dreamcasts, PS1s, PS2s, SNES', Mega Drives, or whatever. Yet still they die by the truckload. There's nobody to blame here but Microsoft, and they said so themselves.
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And again, I said absolutely nothing to contradict what you said, and I said absolutely nothing that isn't true. I placed ample qualifiers to my position.

People conveniently forget the class action lawsuit Sony lost that covered PS2s made until 2003 because the optical drives failed at a rate of about 20%? The average lifetime of a PS2 is 17 months, that is not "great hardware".

Again, that's not an excuse for MS to put out shoddy hardware, they definitely fucked up big time.
 
Well, Wii Sports was fun the first couple of days, then it got boring. My GF bought three other games and they're all broken gameplay as far as we've done so far. We're waiting to get Mario Kart or Galaxy, but Kart apparently will be unavailable until August!
 
It said Xbox Elites. That's what I was keying on. I didn't realize there was something after the Elite.

BTW, PKerr, I don't mean any disrepect, but are you a shareholder of Microsoft or something? It always seems like you're trying to beat us over the head with the 360.

I'm just curious as to what stirs your passion, I don't mean anything hateful by my question.
 
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I'm checking my post to see if I mentioned your name anywhere.... nope, I didn't. So what the hell does your story have to do with mine? Did I say all people who've had problems helped them along?
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Nope. But what you did say, is this:

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I can guarantee that a lot of problems people have with their 360s is due to the way they treat them.
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I didn't think you were targetting me specifically. But in the same way you used yourself and your friends as anecdotal indications for the 360's reliability, so to did I use the way I treat my 360 as to dismiss any suggestion that 'a lot' of the problems people experience are due to the way they treat the thing. :)

People conveniently forget the class action lawsuit Sony lost that covered PS2s made until 2003 because the optical drives failed at a rate of about 20%? The average lifetime of a PS2 is 17 months, that is not "great hardware".
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I haven't forgotten Sony's problems, but they're nowhere near as bad a what MS had/have with the 360.

Again, that's not an excuse for MS to put out shoddy hardware, they definitely fucked up big time.
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Don't trip while you backpeddle...

FordSVT said:
I can guarantee that a lot of problems people have with their 360s is due to the way they treat them.
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Bored now.
 
gh4chiefs said:
It said Xbox Elites. That's what I was keying on. I didn't realize there was something after the Elite.

BTW, PKerr, I don't mean any disrepect, but are you a shareholder of Microsoft or something? It always seems like you're trying to beat us over the head with the 360.

I'm just curious as to what stirs your passion, I don't mean anything hateful by my question.
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No, I said the RROD issue was fix last fall and you replied "are you sure" then added that link.

How is letting people know there is a good deal on the 360 beating anyone over the head?
There are a lot of gamers here some with the 360 some not.
Some of the "some nots" have expressed an interest in getting one but they couldn't afford it.

BTW here is an article of a guy who's 360 got soaked by rain water and it's still running strong.

http://www.gamersworldbd.com/2008/07/360-safe-from-rainwater.html
 
PKerr said:
How is letting people know there is a good deal on the 360 beating anyone over the head?
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I'm not talking about just this thread, I mean in pretty much any thread about the 360. I'm sure if I ran a poll that said which Trek BBS'er do you most associate with the 360, I'm quite confident your name would be at the top of the list by a wide margin. So as I said, nothing sinster here, I'm just genuinely curious about why you're so attached to it?

And you didn't really answer my other question. I guess you're telling me there's another model after the Elites?
 
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PKerr said:
How is letting people know there is a good deal on the 360 beating anyone over the head?
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I'm not talking about just this thread, I mean in pretty much any thread about the 360. I'm sure if I ran a poll that said which Trek BBS'er do you most associate with the 360, I'm quite confident your name would be at the top of the list by a wide margin. So as I said, nothing sinster here, I'm just genuinely curious about why you're so attached to it?

And you didn't really answer my other question. I guess you're telling me there's another model after the Elites?
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:rolleyes: whatever, not even gonna bother...
 
Dude,

Why in the hell are you so defensive? I'm not trying to be smartass, I'm trying understand where you're coming from AND I would really like to know the answer to the second question. I haven't been keeping track of what's going on with the 360 models so I honestly don't know what happened with them after the Elites were released.

That's why I was shocked when I saw the article that said Elites were RRODing. I had kind of assumed that MSFT had probably fixed the problem by the time it came along.
 
The Falcon is the current revision where the CPU had a die shrink from 90nm to 65nm. The upcoming Jasper, which will hopefully solve the RRoD issue once and for all, will do a die shrink on the GPU. Those are rumoured to roll out this fall.

And yeah, there's a rumour that the 40GB PS3 is going to be phased out. For what though? Who knows.
 
Rincewiend said:
Yeah, ps3fanboy.com posted about it as well...
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Well I just can't imagine those prices could possibly be true. $150 for an Elite? No way.

firehawk12 said:
The Falcon is the current revision where the CPU had a die shrink from 90nm to 65nm. The upcoming Jasper, which will hopefully solve the RRoD issue once and for all, will do a die shrink on the GPU. Those are rumoured to roll out this fall.
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Ahh, so it's not a model, it's the "guts" of the machine. I got it. Ok that addresses my confusion. The article I posted about RROD referred to Elites and I guess I was assuming that they had the "latest and greatest" chip in them.

So do all the models, Core, Premium, Elite, all have this new "falcon" chip now?
 
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