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Will new "Trek Look" effect Book Marketing?

Well, Trek novels of the 1990's did have a "unified" cover scheme of things, including even series numbering of titles. So it is possible.

That said, since the entire TOS era is being "left alone" right now, and only the other eras are being produced, AND since it was only in the early part of this decade that the aforementioned unified cover scheme was abandoned in favor of more unique, artistic, and original covers... I highly doubt they will be so quick to fall back on it.

Trek Lit has, in the past few years, re-defined itself as it's own thing. It's become very much it's own limb of the franchise, with it's focus on all that ISN'T being focused on by TPTB. It gives us TNG, DS9, VGR and ENT, when TPTB won't touch such with a ten-foot cattle-prod. I would guess that it will be left alone to continue it's independant mission. Toys and other mass-media products are one thing. Trek lit is a bit more of it's own thing, though, IMHO.
 
TOS isn't being completely abandoned: there's Errand of Fury Book 3 in January 2009 and the Mere Anarchy trade paperback in March.

Having said that, the cover designs for the books through to May have already been done (the ones y'all haven't seen will likely debut at Shore Leave next weekend), and there's no change there. Beyond that, I don't know.
 
Having said that, the cover designs for the books through to May have already been done (the ones y'all haven't seen will likely debut at Shore Leave next weekend), and there's no change there. Beyond that, I don't know.

Hopefully the summarys of the panel are online as fast as last year...:techman:
Maybe, one year I can save enough for the trip across the Atlantic and be there in person....:cool:
 
A new standardized packaging for Trek products is discussed. Will this be of any consequence to the books?

Well, in the past, the novels have used various official logos to celebrate the 20th, 25th, 30th and 40th anniversaries. (We now see a CBS logo on all the books published since Viacom split up. It took a few months to appear, though.) The anniversary logos had also been used in "Starlog", on covers of official ST Club magazines, the official website, and on products sold at "ST Experience". So nothing new there.

When various movies came along, the books were often quick to add changes of costume to the covers even when the story inside didn't reflect that era: see the original cover art of Bantam's "Perry's Planet" (a tiny Kirk figure wears his TMP Tshirt with Perscan buckle), and the first editions of Pocket's "The Entropy Effect" (TMP uniforms for a TOS story) and "Time for Yesterday" (Spock in a blue ST II uniform), and re-releases of Peter Pan TOS children's comic/record sets with TMP photos and aliens on the covers.

If it's too late for certain books which will come out during the promotion of the JJ movie, the other likely change in bookshops might be the use of the new "standardized" packaging on those little cardboard shelf markers, free-standing cardboard stands, mobiles, etc, all of which have been used in the past.
 
Well, Trek novels of the 1990's did have a "unified" cover scheme of things, including even series numbering of titles. So it is possible.

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Ah yes, the good old days. They started that sometime in the early '80s, didn't they? TMP's novelization is #1, but if I'm not mistaken that wasn't added until later. I could be totally wrong. My original copy of the Wrath of Khan novelization doesn't have a number on it, but in the list at the front of subsequent books it's listed as #7. I think all the paperbacks were numbered, while the hardcovers like "Spock's World" and "The Lost Years" just kind of stood alone. Don't know why they numbered them, it's not as if there was any continuity between them, unless an author wrote a sequel to his/her novel. Still, it's kind of cool. I'm kind of pissed off that so many of the really good ones are out of print. I mean, "The Lost Years?" That book was a big deal when it came out. I can understand taking something like "Black Fire" out of print, or "The three minute universe," but "Prime Directive?" Come on. I'm pretty sure both of those are out of print, but again, I could be totally wrong. "The Pandora Principal" was a great one, too. I love the cover art on those classic Trek novels, too. Even the crappy ones drew you in with that awesome artwork.
 
They might be out of print, but it's really not that hard to find most of those books, though. Most of them are available on the internet, at used bookstores, or as ebooks from the S&S pages.
 
They might be out of print, but it's really not that hard to find most of those books, though. Most of them are available on the internet, at used bookstores, or as ebooks from the S&S pages.

True, and even though I have them all, it still kind of sucks.
 
Ah yes, the good old days. They started that sometime in the early '80s, didn't they? TMP's novelization is #1, but if I'm not mistaken that wasn't added until later. I could be totally wrong. My original copy of the Wrath of Khan novelization doesn't have a number on it, but in the list at the front of subsequent books it's listed as #7. I think all the paperbacks were numbered, while the hardcovers like "Spock's World" and "The Lost Years" just kind of stood alone.

The first book to be numbered on its cover in the first printing was The Final Reflection, #16. From that point, all the paperbacks were numbered sequentially and the older ones were numbered on reissue, with the first three movie novelizations being included in the enumeration as #1, #7, and #17 respectively. However, subsequent movie novelizations were unnumbered even though they were in paperback, and as you say, the hardcovers (and their eventual paperback reprints) were also unnumbered. So it was always an awkward and inconsistent scheme.

Don't know why they numbered them, it's not as if there was any continuity between them, unless an author wrote a sequel to his/her novel.

Seeing as how it began just before the Search for Spock novelization came out, I wonder if maybe it was meant to be some kind of cross-promotional thing, to let people know that there were over a dozen Trek books out there (an impressive number at the time) and motivate them to "collect them all!" Of course, by the time we got to the point of having dozens of books in four or five different series with different numbering sequences, that purpose had long since ceased to apply.
 
The Ent-D on that page looks like it lights up. Does anybody know either way on this?
 
Don't know why they numbered them, it's not as if there was any continuity between them

Same reason Playmates' action figures got numbers on them (and you were encouraged to get the "lowest number"). Putting numbers on things is simply a marketing ploy, a way of encouraging people to keep looking and keep collecting. When you put the novels onto your shelf, you can quickly see whether or not you're "missing" part of your collection. (It didn't help the collectors from December 1979, of course, because their early spines didn't have numbers, but anyone who started a bit late - with #16 - knew what books, or what numbers on reprints, to go hunting for.)

Without numbers, some collectors might have been more tempted to cherrypick only TOS novels set during the movie era, not earlier 5YM stories. Again, the cover art can be deliberately deceiving, esp. on those early Pockets. (I recall a fan who refused to read "The Entropy Effect" when they learned it happened before TMP, because they knew all the regulars would survive. Numbering novels can assist in tempting those people to "buy the set anyway".)

When the first "giant" MMPB, "Enterprise: The First Adventure", came along, it was a huge event. It was a special unnumbered book, but no one dreamt there'd soon be two more. Similarly, when "Spock's World", the first hardcover, was announced, it was exciting news: ST fiction had "made it". A science fiction hardcover novel, on the shelves with all the other first-release hardcover novels in my local SF bookshop. It didn't even have "Star Trek" on the spine! (There was also no promise that "Spock's World" would ever be a MMPB edition. We had to buy it now, and savour the luxury of hardcover.)

Again, the marketing people weren't thinking about what would happen, many years later, when it seemed like there were almost as many unnumbered ST books as numbered books. One main idea of marketing is to get people to buy in the first place.

Eventually, the high numbering (up to the 90s with TOS) was the reason some people claimed they'd stopped collecting, or the numbering stopped newcomers from even starting. So the numbers were dropped.

I'm kind of pissed off that so many of the really good ones are out of print.
I'm pretty sure that's why ST IV and subsequent movie novelizations were suddenly kept apart from the numbering. I recall reading (in "Locus"?) that ST:TMP has set some kind of record for a movie novelization being kept in continuous print long after the parent film had disappeared from cinemas. For a long time, the inside-book lists appeared to promise that everything numbered would still be available, even on the mail order coupons inside each book!

When those ads were dropped, that's probably when the earliest Pocket titles were finally allowed to start going out of print. (Although the best-sellers often returned. (Several "duology" reprints were rather forced - eg. the "Worlds Apart" duology, which were linked only because both had Klingons written by John M Ford.)

I mean, "The Lost Years?" That book was a big deal when it came out.
I'm sure, one day, we'll get an omnibus of the four "Lost Year Saga" instalments.

Even the crappy ones drew you in with that awesome artwork.
Sure, but I'd say that still works. There are avid collectors out there who always buy more than they can read in a lifetime - I certainly feel that way sometimes; up until "Mission Gamma", at least, I was totally "caught up" with my reading.

Tastes about what makes "awesome" cover artwork continues to change as decades roll by. Those 80s novels, with their Boris art covers and gold-embossed titles, have a style that says "1980s" and, if they appeared on shelves today exactly as they did then, they wouldn't necessarily work in the same way for the potential buyers in the demographics who are ready to buy a ST book they haven't read yet.
 
The Ent-D on that page looks like it lights up. Does anybody know either way on this?
http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/store.asp?p=item.asp?ItemNo=65458&CategoryID=335
"Also included are light and sound effects taken directly from the celebrated Star Trek: The Next Generation!" Looks like it, Worf. Looks like a beaut, too. Much better than my attempt at gluing and painting the ERTL or whatever model kit. :)

I recall a fan who refused to read "The Entropy Effect" when they learned it happened before TMP, because they knew all the regulars would survive.
I don't get this. Not knowing if a character survives creates potentially edge-of-your-seat tension in a story, but knowing they survive shouldn't by itself make a story unenjoyable. Especially in TOS, as none of the main cast was dead at the end of a story except Spock in TWOK because Nimoy wanted to bow out.

When the first "giant" MMPB, "Enterprise: The First Adventure", came along, it was a huge event. It was a special unnumbered book, but no one dreamt there'd soon be two more. Similarly, when "Spock's World", the first hardcover, was announced, it was exciting news: ST fiction had "made it". A science fiction hardcover novel, on the shelves with all the other first-release hardcover novels in my local SF bookshop. It didn't even have "Star Trek" on the spine! (There was also no promise that "Spock's World" would ever be a MMPB edition. We had to buy it now, and savour the luxury of hardcover.)
Ooooh... I would love to have been that deep in the fandom when this deliciousness was going on. :) I didn't read my first Trek novel until I saw TNG Metamorphosis in a rotating book stand.

Eventually, the high numbering (up to the 90s with TOS) was the reason some people claimed they'd stopped collecting, or the numbering stopped newcomers from even starting. So the numbers were dropped.
I was expecting they'd at least get to #100, with a special #100. But #50 with TOS and TNG weren't special books for some reason, unlike that Borg comic with Locutus.
 
I don't get this. Not knowing if a character survives creates potentially edge-of-your-seat tension in a story, but knowing they survive shouldn't by itself make a story unenjoyable. Especially in TOS, as none of the main cast was dead at the end of a story except Spock in TWOK because Nimoy wanted to bow out.

Well, I must admit that I was a fan who craved post-TMP novels - because of that unknown future element - until ST II came along, and then I found myself yearning for a post-ST IV novel once the Genesis film trilogy was complete.

But still, novels such as "The Entropy Effect" were so gripping that I'd find myself puzzling how the author was ever going to manage a "reset button". But I had several friends who continued to refuse to read any novel set earlier than "ST current events", despite my encouraging words.

Ooooh... I would love to have been that deep in the fandom when this deliciousness was going on.
It was an exciting time. If we were really lucky, "Starlog" or "Locus" would mention a few upcoming titles, but you never really knew what was coming next, why certain titles would be delayed or switched with others, what the cover art would look like, or whether there'd be an audio version.

We are spoiled now.

I was expecting they'd at least get to #100, with a special #100.
A TOS trilogy, "The Last Roundup" - by Diane Carey, IIRC - was planned but it was shelved. The title was eventually used by a TOS hardcover by Christie Golden.
 
I recall a fan who refused to read "The Entropy Effect" when they learned it happened before TMP, because they knew all the regulars would survive.
I don't get this. Not knowing if a character survives creates potentially edge-of-your-seat tension in a story, but knowing they survive shouldn't by itself make a story unenjoyable.

Yeah. If they had a problem with stories where they knew the regulars would survive, why did they watch the actual show in the first place? Sounds to me like they were just looking for excuses to avoid reading.
 
Well, I must admit that I was a fan who craved post-TMP novels - because of that unknown future element - until ST II came along, and then I found myself yearning for a post-ST IV novel once the Genesis film trilogy was complete.
That reminds me of Doctor Who. While I often enjoy the "missing adventures" set between the TV serials, the Eighth Doctor adventures (and before him, the Seventh) could really take chances and generate cliffhangers and questions because we had no idea what would happen to him or his universe after the last TV show.

Same with DS9.

I think my perspective is skewed in hindsight because I know the books didn't leave a main character dead at the end and book continuity was relatively scarce. As far as I know, the editors wouldn't have allowed anything more.

Are there books besides Probe/Music of the Spheres that significantly take advantage of being set soon after ST IV? (As opposed to being nearer ST VI.)

We are spoiled now.
<grins> Closest I can come is not knowing how Best of Both Worlds would end, or being largely unspoiled on the DS9 premiere.
 
Yeah. If they had a problem with stories where they knew the regulars would survive, why did they watch the actual show in the first place?

'Cos sometimes they don't survive. eg. Yar.

Sounds to me like they were just looking for excuses to avoid reading.

Some of them, yes, of course! It's the same as when fans say they won't read ST tie-ins because they're "not canon". For many, it's an excuse not to get sucked in to a particular sector of fandom.

But, as I said, I did used to be one of the fans who much preferred my TOS tie-ins stories to be set after the latest released canonical instalment. With the TOS movies, it was possible for Pocket, and especially Marvel and DC, to do this quite a bit.
 
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