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Star Trek Convention Cancelled DURING Event

Really. What's your problem with that? Maybe you need to stop reading between the lines and reading what people are saying.


I'm not reading between the lines, I'm reading your lines. You say you deplore Trek fandom but you are part of Trek fandom. And you don't donate money to a fan-based, and fan-run, operation just to make a point.
lol ... just give it up. There is never any logic to number6's posts. Just grab the handles and hold on for the ride.

OK, I just came back and have to read this damn thread, so I am not happy. Right now, I'm not in the mood to tollerate any personal attacks on any other poster here. That includes both direct attacks and indirect ones (for one thing Branch Brazealans stops right now).

Obviously, talking about the convention is fair game and talking about Tim Brazeal, Trek United, or anything like that would be relavent too. But don't make it personal, because I'm not dealing with it.

Also, there were personal e-mail messages posted which are against the rules (I was incorrect for not removing them earlier). They have since been removed.

Michael Hinman, if you have permission to post those messages, let me know and I will put them back.
 
You can draw whatever conclusions you wish. I am not Tim Brazeal nor do I know the man. I just think the gloating is in poor taste and speaks to the very underbelly of Trek fandom that I find deplorable.

He was one of those people who organized movements to save a show I enjoyed.

I donated money, not because I actually thought we'd get a 5th season of Enterprise (I'm not that dumb), but because of the message sent about what lengths we cooky fans will go to to save our show.

Those who have genuine gripes are certainly entitled to their opinion and are no doubt gratified by the outcome of this failure. I think the failure of any Trek gathering is certainly no cause for celebration.

The fact that you would so readily accuse me of drinking the kool-aid or colluding with the person you've accused speaks more to your character than it does mine.
I didn't attend FedConUSA, but certainly didn't want it to fail. It would certainly have been nice to have another less expensive alternative to Creation and might have evolved into a great convention if Tim had been a lot more realistic about a first-time convention.
Having said that, a few straight answers would have been nice. All the rumors flying around about what did/did not/might have/couldn't have happened is not helping.

I hope there will be a formal investigation to get to the bottom of what went wrong. It might be a useful lesson for others...
 
Those of us who dealt with Brazeal three years ago, and saw all the VERY questionable actions he took are far less likely to cut him any slack this time around.

As far as criminal prosecution on the bounced check it depends on what actually happened with the check. If the Hotel took the check and deposited it, only to find out later it was bad, then yes Brazeal may indeed be charged with passing bad paper.

However, if the Hotel called the bank to VERIFY the check before they deposited it, then it becomes a little murkier. An argument could be made that their was no theft of services, as such, because the hotel evicted the Convention when they discovered they COULDN'T deposit the check.

The other issue is intent, and on this it would seem that their was an INTENT to issue a check that was NSF. Brazeal's representatives issued a check that they knew was bad on the hopes that they might have gate revenues to back it later. That is a major problem for them.

it could still be seen as theft of services because the con would still owe the rental up till the time the convention was cancelled.

so the hotel could either decide to file criminal charges or maybe just sue first depending if they believed what the intent was.

but since the room block was let go at june 1 the committee should have known then exactly how they stood.

heyal they should have known before then because they should have been keeping track of the room block before.

the idea that tim was blindsided by the extra charges if he didnt meet the number of room nights according to the contract is :guffaw:.

and could someone get Chris McKeown here and let him tell his side of the story, especially the part about when tim planned to cancel the guests ect..

one of the complaints that could bite is if tim never planned to get them there after telling them they were cancelled. that he was milking their names as long as possible.
 
If Brazeal, et all, gave a check to the hotel that they KNEW was bad, then that is a crime.

Here is a generic over view of the Texas Law on passing bad paper:

Texas. Up to 2 years in county jail or up to $1,000 or both. 30 days to 2 years in jail and up to $1,000. Two to 10 years. Holder of bad check may charge obligor with any additional processing fees.

The full Texas statute is here:
http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/32.41.00.html
 
I checked out the radio show Michael. Thought you did well with the interviews. It shed a lot of light on what was going on behind the scenes. Definitely nice hearing from Chris as someone who was actively working on the con and saw where it was headed. I walked away with a couple of thoughts:

1. If Tim is an AA employee then he's rather inept. Checking a stand by list is an easy process and you always check both sides of the trip (arrival & departure) for availability. To fly someone in from Germany and leave them stranded is ridiculously irresponsible.

2. I get the feeling he saw what was happening and simply adopted a "head in the sand" mentality. Plain old denial. Had to be. That's why he stopped returning phone calls and didn't bother booking flights for more of the guests. I think he was praying that this was all going to just magically work out somehow.

3. This was going to be my first real sci fi convention and now I'll have to take a good hard look at the organizers of the con before I ever think about buying tickets for another one.

4. All of the accounts of interaction with the actors was impressive. They really stepped in and did their absolute best to try and make a bad situation good.

5. I have to wonder how long it will be before we get another convention like this in TX, much less the Dallas area. The one thing in Tim's defense was the poor turn out. I'm hoping that doesn't represent the interest in sci fi in this area.
 
In all fairness, numerous cases of fraud are perpetrated every day in this country and they're never investigated. No AG can investigate or prosecute them all. The ones that are taken on are usually high profile and/or provide some sort of political gain. As I said before, it was just a sci-fi convention and some people have gotten their money back. Lawyers yes, AG's no (but anything is possible).

The reason why many frauds aren't prosecuted is the same reason why so many people can speed down the highway: Just because you don't get caught doesn't mean you're never going to get caught.

There are some major issues here at play, issues which can help build a case.

Tim Brazeal decided to put on a convention. He announced a partnership with a well-known and well-established convention that had promised both operational and financial support. The well-established convention had a strong reputation not just with actors, but with attendees (or people who wish they could attend) as well.

He added guests as "confirmed" and opened up ticket sales, selling tickets to people who were expecting guests. Those guests cancelled for one reason or another, and were replaced. Those guests were cancelled for one reason or another and also replaced.

In the meantime, the big partnership that was announced dissolved, and it turned completely into a licensing situation, where Tim Brazeal was all on his own. With that, he continued to advertise big-name guests that would have a huge draw, but then never get them tickets to attend.

People traveled to Texas even as late as Friday believing these guests would be there. Radio ads, according to reports, even said these guys would be there. But people arrive ... and no headliners. John Billingsley is there, a few others are there, but not the people that were said to be there.

They are told there is shooting schedules interfering, that some are missing their planes. Which the latter is true ... they are missing their planes because they never had a seat on the plane and they are taking off without them.

Then the con gets cancelled. Refunds are only offered from cash reserves which came from same-day cash sales. Yet, even that isn't enough money to pay back the people who paid cash because some of that cash was spent right out of the till.

Vendors, attendees and even guests were led to believe ... strike that, had every REASON to believe that FedCon Germany was involved, because THEY SAID SO. THEY ANNOUNCED IT. AND NEVER TOLD ANYONE OTHERWISE.

Imagine I had a little software company and wanted to sell it to people on the Internet. I form a partnership with Microsoft, who says they will provide both financial and logistical support for my product. Microsoft doesn't like how I do things, and think my software is crap, so they pull out as a partner. But Bill Gates, being the charitable guy he is, lets me use his name for a short time after the partnership dissolves because I had some contracts with the Microsoft name on it.

You come to my site and see that my software carries the Microsoft brand. So you feel it has to be good (you're obviously not an evolved Mac user), so you buy it. A lot of people buy it.

What they end up with, if they even get it at all, is a shabby product that had nothing to do with Microsoft. I keep the money, and say I may return it but then point to my no return policy they agreed to when they made the purchase.

Do you think I did something fraudulent?

Sorry ... but it's a PERFECT analogy to what happened here.

Analogy aside, not everything can be investigated, regardless of how outraged people get. We'll just have to wait and see (and you're preaching to the choir here)...

On another note, do you have anything to do with SyFy Portals webpage? The main table for content is only 800 pixels wide. It would look better if it was wider. Also, the last news item runs off the bottom.

Well, I own the site ... =P

If you could ... please send a note to our programmer Nick Chase at nchase@syfyportal.com. If you have a screenshot of the problem, awesome! but please let him know your OS and your browser, that way we can work to get it corrected. :)
 
I'm not reading between the lines, I'm reading your lines. You say you deplore Trek fandom but you are part of Trek fandom. And you don't donate money to a fan-based, and fan-run, operation just to make a point.
lol ... just give it up. There is never any logic to number6's posts. Just grab the handles and hold on for the ride.

OK, I just came back and have to read this damn thread, so I am not happy. Right now, I'm not in the mood to tollerate any personal attacks on any other poster here. That includes both direct attacks and indirect ones (for one thing Branch Brazealans stops right now).

Obviously, talking about the convention is fair game and talking about Tim Brazeal, Trek United, or anything like that would be relavent too. But don't make it personal, because I'm not dealing with it.

Also, there were personal e-mail messages posted which are against the rules (I was incorrect for not removing them earlier). They have since been removed.

Michael Hinman, if you have permission to post those messages, let me know and I will put them back.

Actually, I explained what gave me permission to post the message, so please put it back.

Thanks!
 
I checked out the radio show Michael. Thought you did well with the interviews. It shed a lot of light on what was going on behind the scenes. Definitely nice hearing from Chris as someone who was actively working on the con and saw where it was headed.

Thanks, Anthony! I had no clue how that was going to come out with so many people on at once ... but people seemed to be reacting well. :) Might be one of our best shows yet. :) Definitely one of our best listened to so far. :)

I walked away with a couple of thoughts:

1. If Tim is an AA employee then he's rather inept. Checking a stand by list is an easy process and you always check both sides of the trip (arrival & departure) for availability. To fly someone in from Germany and leave them stranded is ridiculously irresponsible.

And why he was grabbing that, I don't know. Raise some money and buy some tickets.

2. I get the feeling he saw what was happening and simply adopted a "head in the sand" mentality. Plain old denial. Had to be. That's why he stopped returning phone calls and didn't bother booking flights for more of the guests. I think he was praying that this was all going to just magically work out somehow.

I think that is a very plausible theory.

3. This was going to be my first real sci fi convention and now I'll have to take a good hard look at the organizers of the con before I ever think about buying tickets for another one.

4. All of the accounts of interaction with the actors was impressive. They really stepped in and did their absolute best to try and make a bad situation good.

5. I have to wonder how long it will be before we get another convention like this in TX, much less the Dallas area. The one thing in Tim's defense was the poor turn out. I'm hoping that doesn't represent the interest in sci fi in this area.

I believe there are a few conventions in the Dallas area that do very well, from what I hear. So I think it was just FedCon.
 
I went to a Star Trek convention in New York City back in 1975. It was a lot of fun. Everybody was there. Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, all the rest. The hotel was packed, everything ran well, and fun was had by all.
I think I went to that one. I was 13 years old. Only Trek convention I ever went to. I recall having fun but it was so long ago, I hardly remember... :)
 
I believe the interest in sci-fi is strong, it's the economy that's crap.

I agree that the economy is not doing that great. But I've been to two conventions this year ... both of them had numbers double the previous year, and neither had any actors there.

So it can't be that much of a hindrance.

If anyone wants to hear last night's show ... it's at www.BlogTalkRadio.com/SyFyRadio ... it's the show that automatically starts streaming on the main page.
 
I went to a Star Trek convention in New York City back in 1975. It was a lot of fun. Everybody was there. Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, all the rest. The hotel was packed, everything ran well, and fun was had by all.
I think I went to that one. I was 13 years old. Only Trek convention I ever went to. I recall having fun but it was so long ago, I hardly remember... :)

That was a long time ago. I remember the main room being packed with fans and all the cast coming out on stage, answering questions and schmoozing the crowd. I met Mark Lenard afterward (Sarek). I also remember the huge dealer room with everything and anything Trek related you could possibly want. It was a lot of fun.
 
On topic, this is crazy (and a bit sad). Once a convention starts, you can't cancel it in the middle for any reason. It's unprofessional and disgraceful (the fact that there wasn't enough attendence is a bit depressing too, but it should have gone on).

It's hard to see how continuing would have lost them more money than giving everyone refunds

It's sad to me, that attendence was low as well.:(:(:(
 
Just wanted to give Congrats to Michael for a great show last night. It was fair and even handed. Anyone who wants to say that Michael is a hack blogger, needs to listen to the show from last night. I know that if I had been modersting last night I wouldn't have been able to be so balanced.

Good job Michael!!!!

Jim
 
Something that gives me some hope in this situation is that their are much fewer people supporting Brazeal this time around.

I think he has burned off most of the tolerance and good will of people this time around. now the wait for the other shoe to drop, and trust me it is going to drop.
 
From the TU boards ...

raptor said:
I have always seen Tim as a man with a vision : Enterprise was cancelled because Paramount hasn't listened to the fans.

Actually, it was cancelled because the ratings were horrible.

His conclusion : for the future of SCIFI we need more fan involement. You see it in the actions : TU as fansite, Scifistudios as tool for fans making Scifi,

But what kind of sci-fi has SciFi Studios made? They have ONE production, and you know what? THEY DIDN'T EVEN PRODUCE IT. It was already funded and produced. They simply convinced the producers that they could distribute it, and I'm hearing there's even problems there.

Fedcon Usa as tool for more fan-centered conventions in the USA. I think he and his team have achieved results :

Yeah .. it resulted in a possible criminal investigation. Those are solid results!

TU feels as a place were many fans feel home. Scifistudios is still young, but I think that that 145-series they are producing is a good result.

They're not producing it ... they are a distributor. Big difference.

That Fedcon Usa didn't work out, seems clear to everyone.

You think?

I think it is important to see the difference between the man and the vision. The vision remains good, the man and his collaborators can make mistakes (being human...). See what Riker said about the inventor of the warp-drive in the film First Contact : "You're no saint to me, but you surely had a vision".

I think Riker had better English than that.
 
TB sorely underestimated how much upfront costs there would be and wrote checks hoping that advance sales would cover it.

Bills kept piling up for deposits of rentals with no incoming revenue.

People wanted their money and TB started to avoid calls.

Hotel deposit check bounced and the event was shut down.

Happens. All. The. Time.

Welcome back to Trek conventions of the 1970s. Everything old is new again. :lol:
 
From the TU boards ...

raptor said:
I have always seen Tim as a man with a vision : Enterprise was cancelled because Paramount hasn't listened to the fans.

Actually, it was cancelled because the ratings were horrible.

His conclusion : for the future of SCIFI we need more fan involement. You see it in the actions : TU as fansite, Scifistudios as tool for fans making Scifi,
But what kind of sci-fi has SciFi Studios made? They have ONE production, and you know what? THEY DIDN'T EVEN PRODUCE IT. It was already funded and produced. They simply convinced the producers that they could distribute it, and I'm hearing there's even problems there.



Yeah .. it resulted in a possible criminal investigation. Those are solid results!



They're not producing it ... they are a distributor. Big difference.

That Fedcon Usa didn't work out, seems clear to everyone.
You think?

I think it is important to see the difference between the man and the vision. The vision remains good, the man and his collaborators can make mistakes (being human...). See what Riker said about the inventor of the warp-drive in the film First Contact : "You're no saint to me, but you surely had a vision".
I think Riker had better English than that.


Michael, it seems to me that you have more than just the average amount of anger toward the FedCon failure. Did you have a financial stake in it?
 
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