That would have been awesome. It would also be awesome if she spent the whole episode freezing the program and criticizing it.
Small missed opportunities
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Well, Frakes wasn't really Chef. That was just Riker playing Chef in the holodeck program. We never did see the real Chef at all (except briefly from the neck down in "The Catwalk").
Still, I remember a lot of people at the time pulling for Isaac Hayes to play Chef.
I love B'Elanna's reaction here.Yes! Definately! Although it was nice how they were able to work Korath from Star Trek The Experience into actual series continuity.
I don't object to this premise but how would it even have come up? For that matter, was there ever anything to indicate that this wasn't what happened?
It would have been total fan service but I still kinda wish that they had gone with B'Elanna as Seven's love interest in "Human Error" instead of Chakotay.
I read the General Martok book series "The Left Hand of Destiny" recently. I kept waiting for a scene at the end where the Federation would remove Worf from his Ambassadorship for his blatantly taking sides during Morjod's attempted coup. It was the perfect opportunity to explain why he was suddenly back on the Enterprise without any explanation in Nemesis.
Yeah, I know. There are days when I just like being anal and pedantic. That was one of them.
Heh. So is this.
read A Time for War, A Time for Peace by Keith DeCandido from the A Time To... miniseries.
In STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE: The seemingly repetitious Kirk-to-McCoy “I need you” ... "dammit, I need you" should have been “I need you” followed by “I need you,” indicating not simple duty, but duty to an old friend.
I always suspected that it was a parallel to the line in A Man For All Seasons, when Thomas More says, “It is not that I believe it, it is that I believe it,” shifting the focus from doctrine to personal responsibility.
In STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER, Kirk tells Spock and McCoy that he once lost a brother, but got him back. As he’s addressing both of them, he should have added “I got him back . . . twice.”
I always suspected that it was a parallel to the line in A Man For All Seasons, when Thomas More says, “It is not that I believe it, it is that I believe it,” shifting the focus from doctrine to personal responsibility.
In STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER, Kirk tells Spock and McCoy that he once lost a brother, but got him back. As he’s addressing both of them, he should have added “I got him back . . . twice.”
Yeah, I know. There are days when I just like being anal and pedantic. That was one of them.
Heh. So is this.
That line was an even bigger mistake - At first I thought Kirk was referring to his actual brother Sam, who died in Operation: Annihilate. Yet another example of the writers forgetting and/or ignoring backstories.
^Yeah, but you can't blame B&B for that one. Shatner wrote TFF, so it was his mistake.
Of course, the argument could be made that he was referring to Spock not Sam who, as his best friend would natually be closer to him than his own brother was. The novelization does exactly this.
Of course, the argument could be made that he was referring to Spock not Sam who, as his best friend would natually be closer to him than his own brother was. The novelization does exactly this.
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That was always my interpretation as well. I thought of Sam when the first time I heard the line and then immediately disregarded, and decided he referred to Spock. I don't see it as a mistake at all.
I took it to refer to the long-ago loss of his biological brother, but the later acquisition of an even closer friend (i.e., Spock) as a substitute. But I felt that he should have included McCoy as well, given the theme of the film. If I had that wrong, then maybe it was a totally bad line.
Since we're on a Star Trek V kick right now, I'll just say:
I would've liked to have seen a little bit (actually, a lot more) struggle of the Enterprise punching through the central barrier. They were truly going where no one had gone before, and the Barrier has supposedly destroyed every ship that tried to enter. Yet not only does the Enterprise fly through it as if it were a jumbo jet through a cloud, the Klingons do it, too! Talk about lack of dramatic impact.
Heck, the Mutara Nebula put up a better fight.
I would've liked to have seen a little bit (actually, a lot more) struggle of the Enterprise punching through the central barrier. They were truly going where no one had gone before, and the Barrier has supposedly destroyed every ship that tried to enter. Yet not only does the Enterprise fly through it as if it were a jumbo jet through a cloud, the Klingons do it, too! Talk about lack of dramatic impact.
Heck, the Mutara Nebula put up a better fight.
In 1991? (Actually, how long did it take to make a TNG ep and bring it to air? So maybe 1989-90, actually.)
It may have, yes.
It may not have, but the risk it may have gotten the show pulled from stations where it was being syndicated would have been huge - and if it were enough stations, it would have killed the series. I think people forget that it wasn't until 1998 that we saw "Will and Grace".
It's not good to just project now back onto the past; I fear you're doing that, Forbin.
*Remember the first season finale of Enterprise? Shockwave Part I? In which Archer ends up trapped in the future in the end? It would have been really interesting if for five or six episodes Archer was 'stranded' in the future and had to send messages to his crew to communicate with them both him and Daniels tried to create a way of getting back. (That wasn't like a coconut time portal The Professor would make on Gilligan's Island.)
*Dukat's ending. I bought that he fell into madness and walked with the Pawraiths. I would have liked to see a scene with him in the end where he prophets or the 'wraiths enlightened him to how horrible his actions are and right before dying he would emotional try to cope with himself. Have his dying words be something like "I was wrong! I was wrong!" or something.
*An odd idea. Instead of making TNG-clone shows like VOY and ENT why not just let the Next Generation keep going? Every few years they could swap out characters who get promoted and captains could have been switched out every seven years or so. This would allow the show to keep characters but to also let character leave and do other things with their career.
*Dukat's ending. I bought that he fell into madness and walked with the Pawraiths. I would have liked to see a scene with him in the end where he prophets or the 'wraiths enlightened him to how horrible his actions are and right before dying he would emotional try to cope with himself. Have his dying words be something like "I was wrong! I was wrong!" or something.
*An odd idea. Instead of making TNG-clone shows like VOY and ENT why not just let the Next Generation keep going? Every few years they could swap out characters who get promoted and captains could have been switched out every seven years or so. This would allow the show to keep characters but to also let character leave and do other things with their career.
Gay was a bad thing on TV in 1990? I don't think so. I think it was Trek being timid and overcareful at a time when very few others were, not me projecting backward. Will and Grace didn't feature the first gay person on TV. And we're talking about a 1-episode guest character, not a regular.
(I'm a trivia geek, so...Which show did? (As a guest star or regular, not including soap operas.)
I'm now curious.
)I'm not saying 'bad thing'. But 'risky', yes.
Thing is, I don't disagree. In retrospect, it was a missed opportunity...Insofar as it was an available opportunity.
I'm not sure it was an opportunity that was as available as you paint it, though.
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In 1991? (Actually, how long did it take to make a TNG ep and bring it to air? So maybe 1989-90, actually.)
It may have, yes.
It may not have, but the risk it may have gotten the show pulled from stations where it was being syndicated would have been huge - and if it were enough stations, it would have killed the series. I think people forget that it wasn't until 1998 that we saw "Will and Grace".
It's not good to just project now back onto the past; I fear you're doing that, Forbin.
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Gay was a bad thing on TV in 1990? I don't think so. I think it was Trek being timid and overcareful at a time when very few others were, not me projecting backward. Will and Grace didn't feature the first gay person on TV. And we're talking about a 1-episode guest character, not a regular.
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[FONT=Times New Roman]This is just preposterous! Is it being suggested that "some" stations would pull TNG in the high of it's popularity with TREK having a nearly 25 year winning streak off the air? Simuliar to what some thought would of happened with Trek's 1st interracial kiss in 69, which incidentally NEVER HAPPENED. Is it seriously being suggested here that the uproar over a signal guest star commenting in confidence to a regular who has just express romantic interest in her that she prefers her own gender, that this event by a character to never be seen or heard again would be sooo damaging and lead to such instability that it could collapse to entire franchise??
Finally, if any "heat" were to be had over this I believe it is a worthy fight to be fought, I think you'll find if you look at the philosophy of TREK; that it is always standing up for the underdog and defends the undefended or those targeted by the establishment. In the context of this scene, I think that philosophy would be honored.
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In 1991? (Actually, how long did it take to make a TNG ep and bring it to air? So maybe 1989-90, actually.)
It may have, yes.
It may not have, but the risk it may have gotten the show pulled from stations where it was being syndicated would have been huge - and if it were enough stations, it would have killed the series. I think people forget that it wasn't until 1998 that we saw "Will and Grace".
It's not good to just project now back onto the past; I fear you're doing that, Forbin.
Forbin wrote:
Gay was a bad thing on TV in 1990? I don't think so. I think it was Trek being timid and overcareful at a time when very few others were, not me projecting backward. Will and Grace didn't feature the first gay person on TV. And we're talking about a 1-episode guest character, not a regular.
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[FONT=Times New Roman]This is just preposterous! Is it being suggested that "some" stations would pull TNG in the high of it's popularity with TREK having a nearly 25 year winning streak off the air? Simuliar to what some thought would of happened with Trek's 1st interracial kiss in 69, which incidentally NEVER HAPPENED. Is it seriously being suggested here that the uproar over a signal guest star commenting in confidence to a regular who has just express romantic interest in her that she prefers her own gender, that this event by a character to never be seen or heard again would be sooo damaging and lead to such instability that it could collapse to entire franchise??
Finally, if any "heat" were to be had over this I believe it is a worthy fight to be fought, I think you'll find if you look at the philosophy of TREK; that it is always standing up for the underdog and defends the undefended or those targeted by the establishment. In the context of this scene, I think that philosophy would be honored.
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Something I read on this board once, that I thought was a good idea:
Majel Barrett had a cameo in STIV:TVH, asking for supplies over a comm line. In the credits, she's listed as playing Dr. Christine Chapel. What if the character had actually been Number One from The Cage instead?
We know the ultimate fate of Christopher Pike, and of course Spock has been a very central character all through the history of Trek. But we know nothing else of whatever happened to the rest of the "Cage" characters. Number One? Dr. Boyce? Yeoman Colt? Joe Tyler?
Majel Barrett had a cameo in STIV:TVH, asking for supplies over a comm line. In the credits, she's listed as playing Dr. Christine Chapel. What if the character had actually been Number One from The Cage instead?
We know the ultimate fate of Christopher Pike, and of course Spock has been a very central character all through the history of Trek. But we know nothing else of whatever happened to the rest of the "Cage" characters. Number One? Dr. Boyce? Yeoman Colt? Joe Tyler?
I wasn't thinking of Dukat having time to reform himself. I just figure that emotion and psychological pain is far worse than physical pain. I feel bad enough about some things I've done so I figure Dukat would be completely torn apart. Besides burning with the PawWraiths, or whatever exactly the physical cause of his death.
I guess, though, looking back we did get one good break down scene with Dukat.
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