Recycled Stories

[PhoenixIreland]

Watching Enterprise I've noticed a few

-A captain capture and tried by the Klingons in a cylindrical court room then sent to rura penthe (is that their only prison?)

-The transporter making someone invisable who is then presumed dead

-The carbon copy of Children of Time, even tho a much better story involving the Colombia was proposed and shot down

and I remember one from Voyager

-A crewmember falsly accused of murder and proved innocent by recreations

 

[toughlittleship]

Also from Enterprise there was Oasis, basically a remake of Shadowplay with Rene Auberjonois playing Kenneth Toby's character.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

How about "In a Mirror, Darkly", a rehash of TOS "Mirror, Mirror".

All part of the reason Enterprise failed. Instead of exploring new ground, delving into little known Trek history, they simply remade old episodes.

 

[captcalhoun]

and your VGR example was previously done by TNG in a S3 episode about Krieger waves or some such techno-BS...

 

[startrekwatcher]

Watching Enterprise I've noticed a few

-A captain capture and tried by the Klingons in a cylindrical court room then sent to rura penthe (is that their only prison?)

-The transporter making someone invisable who is then presumed dead

-The carbon copy of Children of Time, even tho a much better story involving the Colombia was proposed and shot down

and I remember one from Voyager

-A crewmember falsly accused of murder and proved innocent by recreations

Extinction was an amalgam of Identity Crisis, Genesis and The Inner Light

"Doctors Orders" was a rehash of VOY's "One".

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I'll disagree with E^2. It had a similar premise, but very different story. Also, In a Mirror Darkly's story is not at all similar plotwise to Mirror, Mirror (mainly because of the absense of a crossover).

 

[Nerys Myk]

How about "In a Mirror, Darkly", a rehash of TOS "Mirror, Mirror".

All part of the reason Enterprise failed. Instead of exploring new ground, delving into little known Trek history, they simply remade old episodes.

How so? "Mirror, Mirror" was about characters from "our" Universe trapped the Mirror Universe. All the characters from "In A Mirror Darkly" were from the Mirror Universe and the entire episode was set there. DS9 was the show that reused the Universe crossing characters for their Mirror Universe stories.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Heck TOS recycled stories all the time. (See Whom Gods Destroy and Dagger of the Mind) They even recycled non-Trek Stories. (See Balance of Terror)

 

[Carpe Occasio]

How about "In a Mirror, Darkly", a rehash of TOS "Mirror, Mirror".

All part of the reason Enterprise failed. Instead of exploring new ground, delving into little known Trek history, they simply remade old episodes.

How so? "Mirror, Mirror" was about characters from "our" Universe trapped the Mirror Universe. All the characters from "In A Mirror Darkly" were from the Mirror Universe and the entire episode was set there. DS9 was the show that reused the Universe crossing characters for their Mirror Universe stories.

You can't deny the similarities. It was a reworked, extended version (which I actually liked).

 

[Nerys Myk]

How about "In a Mirror, Darkly", a rehash of TOS "Mirror, Mirror".

All part of the reason Enterprise failed. Instead of exploring new ground, delving into little known Trek history, they simply remade old episodes.

How so? "Mirror, Mirror" was about characters from "our" Universe trapped the Mirror Universe. All the characters from "In A Mirror Darkly" were from the Mirror Universe and the entire episode was set there. DS9 was the show that reused the Universe crossing characters for their Mirror Universe stories.

You can't deny the similarities. It was a reworked, extended version (which I actually liked).

How were the plots similar?

"Mirror. Mirror" was about Kirk, Scott, McCoy and Uhura transported to the Mirror Univiers and their counterparts sent to "our" universe. The plot revolved around them getting back.

"In A Mirror Darkly" was about the Terran Empire finding a starship from "our" universe and the power struggle to control it and use it to rule the Galaxy. No visitors from another Universe. No attempt to get "home". No shock at discovering how "evil" this Universe is.

You do understand the difference between setting and plot?

 

[Carpe Occasio]

How so? "Mirror, Mirror" was about characters from "our" Universe trapped the Mirror Universe. All the characters from "In A Mirror Darkly" were from the Mirror Universe and the entire episode was set there. DS9 was the show that reused the Universe crossing characters for their Mirror Universe stories.

You can't deny the similarities. It was a reworked, extended version (which I actually liked).

How were the plots similar?

"Mirror. Mirror" was about Kirk, Scott, McCoy and Uhura transported to the Mirror Univiers and their counterparts sent to "our" universe. The plot revolved around them getting back.

"In A Mirror Darkly" was about the Terran Empire finding a starship from "our" universe and the power struggle to control it and use it to rule the Galaxy. No visitors from another Universe. No attempt to get "home". No shock at discovering how "evil" this Universe is.

You do understand the difference between setting and plot?

Oh brother. Argument for arguments sake is no fun (by the way, I never used the word plot).

 

[Epsilon IX]

Three which immediately spring to mind include, "A Matter of Perspective" (TNG S3) with "Ex Post Facto" (VOY S1), as well as "One" (VOY S4) with "Doctor's Orders" (ENT S3), and "The Child (TNG S2)/The Offspring (TNG S3) with "Drone" (VOY S5).

 

[erastus25]

Heck TOS recycled stories all the time. (See Whom Gods Destroy and Dagger of the Mind) They even recycled non-Trek Stories. (See Balance of Terror)

I don't think taking classic stories from other literature and movies is quite as lazy as annoying as outright copying of other ST episodes.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

You can't deny the similarities. It was a reworked, extended version (which I actually liked).

How were the plots similar?

"Mirror. Mirror" was about Kirk, Scott, McCoy and Uhura transported to the Mirror Univiers and their counterparts sent to "our" universe. The plot revolved around them getting back.

"In A Mirror Darkly" was about the Terran Empire finding a starship from "our" universe and the power struggle to control it and use it to rule the Galaxy. No visitors from another Universe. No attempt to get "home". No shock at discovering how "evil" this Universe is.

You do understand the difference between setting and plot?

Oh brother. Argument for arguments sake is no fun (by the way, I never used the word plot).

The thread talks about recycled stories (which is the plot, not the setting).

 

[Carpe Occasio]

You guys cannot sit there and tell me that there are not major similarities between "Mirror, Mirror" and "In A Mirror, Darkly".

 

[number6]

You guys cannot sit there and tell me that there are not major similarities between "Mirror, Mirror" and "In A Mirror, Darkly".

There aren't. Even the setting is somewhat different. Sure it takes place in the mirror universe That's really it. The stories aren't even close to similar.

Just sounds like another bash thread to me.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

You guys cannot sit there and tell me that there are not major similarities between "Mirror, Mirror" and "In A Mirror, Darkly".

There aren't. Even the setting is somewhat different. Sure it takes place in the mirror universe That's really it. The stories aren't even close to similar.

Just sounds like another bash threat to me.

What's a bash threat?

 

[number6]

You guys cannot sit there and tell me that there are not major similarities between "Mirror, Mirror" and "In A Mirror, Darkly".

There aren't. Even the setting is somewhat different. Sure it takes place in the mirror universe That's really it. The stories aren't even close to similar.

Just sounds like another bash threat to me.

What's a bash threat?

thread

I meant to type a d instead of a t

Aren't you the one who wants us all to read between the lines??

 

[Carpe Occasio]

There aren't. Even the setting is somewhat different. Sure it takes place in the mirror universe That's really it. The stories aren't even close to similar.

Just sounds like another bash threat to me.

What's a bash threat?

thread

I meant to type a d instead of a t

Aren't you the one who wants us all to read between the lines??

Everybody around here is so literal I thought bash threat was what you meant.

Memory Alpha descibes "In A Mirror, Darkly" this way -

This episode was a sequel to TOS: "The Tholian Web" and a prequel to TOS: "Mirror, Mirror".

That supports your premise that it's a totally different plot, but it also supports my similarities argument (the mirror universe, the ongoing war, the torture chamber, the killing each other to take command, the jumping from one bed to another girl friends, etc.).

What do you say we call it even?

 

[number6]

What's a bash threat?

thread

I meant to type a d instead of a t

Aren't you the one who wants us all to read between the lines??

Everybody around here is so literal I thought bash threat was what you meant.

Memory Alpha descibes "In A Mirror, Darkly" this way -

This episode was a sequel to TOS: "The Tholian Web" and a prequel to TOS: "Mirror, Mirror".

That supports your premise that it's a totally different plot, but it also supports my similarities argument (the mirror universe, the ongoing war, the torture chamber, the killing each other to take command, the jumping from one bed to another girl friends, etc.).

What do you say we call it even?

Your premise was that IAMD was a recycled plot. It wasn't. It was a recycled setting with a completely original storyline. That's a big difference.