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in 25years will they have Funny Muslim Terrorist in SF programmes.

I don't think that Muslim Terrorists will be showed up in the same way as the Nazis were in that episode. So far those terrorists have had a minor impact on the world history

Remember also that the Soviets killed 60 million people between 1920 and 1955 without resulting in any"space Stalin" or "space commies" showing up.

I think the reason that the Nazis show up the way they do in certain episodes are that they are so easy to set up as villains. The crimes they did, the uniforms, leader cult, racist policy and general behavior makes them somewhat believable as enemies. Not to mention that they were so totally defeated and their crimes so openly revealed as well.

And don't forget that the series was made in the 60:s wehn WWII wasn't so far away and at that point there were no Muslim Terrorists, the cold war between the US and the USSR was not as "cold" at that specific point and there were no other "evil power" visible which could be transformed into the Star Trek universe.

Still, I agree that the episode was over the top with those stereotype Nazis. With all respect to TOS which I actually like very much, it was simply a badly written episode.

When it comes to portraying people lead by evil ideologies, I'm more impressed when they take the ideas and actions of the Nazis (and maybe similar attributes from Soviets and terrorists too) and use them for some future hostile alien regime without putting on Nazi (or Soviet) uniforms or without using 20th century Earth symbols like the swastika or hammer and sickle for those aliens.

I did watch a Stargate SG1 episode some time ago when the team was sent to a planet where the people asked SG1 to help them fight some merciless enemy. At the end of the episode it was revealed that those who wanted the help from SG1 actually had the same values as the Nazis and had actually started the war which was going on. I did find the aliens in that episode more scary and repulsive than the rather comical Nazis in the TOS episode.

You have to remember that one of ideas that Star Trek was sold on (To the Studio and Network) was the ability to use existing sets and costumes in "alien" settings as a way to offset the cost of more "exotic" episodes. Plus the dramatic reveal is lessened if its just an alien culture and not something that the audience can recognize.

"Nazis???" "Romans???" "Cowboys???" "Gangsters???" work better at the pre-credits break than "Aliens".
 
Also, Star Trek is no stranger to the concept of "terrorism". The Troggs in "The Cloud Minders" were terrorists. Lokai from "Let This Be Your Last Battlefield" was seen as a terrorist by Bele.
 
Sorry, but the ENT episodes were not funny and not meant to be funny, too, the way I see it. They were dumb. I don't feel like I have to try to find any redeeming qualities in them just because I like most of the show. And I'm one of the people who doesn't mind TATV.

I don't mind Nazi episodes- I like Patterns of Force, actually. I only mind the pointless ones. But oh well, there's got to be something for everyone, eh?
 
No they won't because Islam and it's followers are a serious force to be reckoned with in terms of not offending them. No one would wanna risk offending them for a TV show. This will remain so in 25 years just as it is so today.

Nazis on the other hand, are marginalized and no one cares if they get offended.

see that is wrong.. anyone should be able to offend anyone...
 
No they won't because Islam and it's followers are a serious force to be reckoned with in terms of not offending them. No one would wanna risk offending them for a TV show. This will remain so in 25 years just as it is so today.

Nazis on the other hand, are marginalized and no one cares if they get offended.

see that is wrong.. anyone should be able to offend anyone...
Well, I for one think if there is one group which derserves to be offended, it's the Nazis.
 
Also, Star Trek is no stranger to the concept of "terrorism". The Troggs in "The Cloud Minders" were terrorists. Lokai from "Let This Be Your Last Battlefield" was seen as a terrorist by Bele.

We also had the Ansata in the TNG episode, "The High Ground" and the Open Sky terrorists in the Voyager episode "The Chute".

OK, the Open Sky terrorists were actually fighting a very opressive regime but their methods could be classified as terrorism.

But the Troggs? I thought it was a rock band! :eek:

"Wild thing
You make my heart sing
You make everything groovy
Wild thing"

"Wild Thing"
The Troggs
 
No they won't because Islam and it's followers are a serious force to be reckoned with in terms of not offending them. No one would wanna risk offending them for a TV show. This will remain so in 25 years just as it is so today.

Nazis on the other hand, are marginalized and no one cares if they get offended.

see that is wrong.. anyone should be able to offend anyone...
Well, I for one think if there is one group which derserves to be offended, it's the Nazis.

Any dictators deserve to be offended and ridiculed, for that matter. You shouldn't be worried about offending murderers, right? Let's not be picky.
 
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