Yeah, they definitely needed to give Luke, Han and Leia their final moment together. One of many dropped balls in the sequel trilogy.
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Yes.
I am surprised the first movie wasn't about the OG crew having it's adventure. Rey is part of the story. So is Kylo Ren. Movie ends with Han dying. Luke leaving(with R2) and Leia Chewie,Threepio being the few OG heroes that carries over to the second movie.
The second movie has Rey become the lead and then we get introduced to other new characters like Finn and Poe, though I know Poe was not originally suppose to be big part of the movies. Also maybe Kylo goes from the Snoke's right hand man to big baddie when Snoke dies in the first movie.
Rewatched The Phantom Menace. It's interesting that even at the age of nine, and despite his well-meaning intentions, Anakin was always an arrogant, confrontational prick. Even back then he's bragging about his podracing skills, let alone racing in one at such a young age. And then in every Jedi council scene he's arguing with them, and mad dogging Mace Windu at every turn.
I would argue that his intentions are never truly well meaning. Not ever, even in TPM. (Well, at least until those final moments in RotJ, obviously.)
Everything Anakin does, even when it seems like he's being empathetic and helpful, or even selfless, is always actually self serving. That doesn't mean it's malicious, of course. But it's sourced from place that's all about him and what he wants/needs/believes.
I'm not even sure Lucas fully intended what he put on screen. But Anakin is a remarkably consistent character once you see what he really is. And it becomes easy to see how people, like all those powerful Jedi, never saw the truth about him. Anakin talks a good game. And his results kind of speak for themselves in a way that is the most powerful sort of deception possible.
He was just a young child with a profoundly traumatic upbringing in slavery. Of course he was going to have issues. Further, if he was created by Palpatine by manipulating the Force and Midichlorians™, he would doubtless be tainted by that influence as well. Qui-Gon and the rest of the Jedi Council really dropped the ball vetting him. Yes, he was exceptionally strong with the force, but his deeply-seated dark side nature should have been an immediate red flag to prevent any further advancement and training. And it's not like the kid was hiding his inherent darkness either, especially as he was growing up. Kenobi saw it - Windu saw it - Yoda saw it - Padme saw it, and so did many others, I wager. The whole thing really should never have happened the way it went down in the PT.
And then there was Jar Jar's proxy no-confidence vote against the Chancellor in Padme's absence, ushering in Palpatine's rise and the subsequent fall of the Republic. I mean, seriously, could that whole thing not have been a bigger dumpster fire?
And then there was Jar Jar's proxy no-confidence vote against the Chancellor in Padme's absence, ushering in Palpatine's rise and the subsequent fall of the Republic. I mean, seriously, could that whole thing not have been a bigger dumpster fire?
Well, no. The outcome is just a high midichlorian count, not some kind of inherited dark side mojo. And he may have been created by the will of the Force itself ( as Lucas once suggested ). If created by Palpatine it would be a bit strange for him to have been simply ignored for almost ten years only to be nearly run over by Maul.
I never said it actually made any sense. Merely further evidence that it was all quite poorly-conceived.
I don't think Lucas had the idea of Palpatine creating Anakin at the time TPM was conceived. If anything I feel like we're supposed to lean toward Qui-Gon's interpretation at that point. Lucas may have toyed with the concept of it being an act of Palpatine when it came time to write the ROTS script, but ultimately he backed off from making it explicit and the end result that we got is ambiguity.
True, we never really got a good sense of what Lucas was planning in that regard, but the whole thing kind of re-exploded again in Acolyte with the Sith Witches (or whatever they were) manipulating the Force to create the twins. That, plus showing Darth Plagueis (another ridiculously contrived Star Wars name) peaking out of the cave entrance in the final scene, to whom Palpatine was referring in ROTS when it came to being the source of knowledge for such life-creating abilities? What Lucas may or may not have been planning back then has been rendered largely irrelevant by Acolyte's grabbing on to that ambiguity and making it very solidly canonical. Because of this, it can now be strongly inferred that this is also how Anakin was made, through a similar process that Palpatine learned through Plagueis before the former killed the latter.
Someone lurking in a cave entrance may be provocative but it still stops short of solid confirmation of anything. That the twins were apparently created by Aniseya does not exactly force us ( pun not intended ) into a conclusion regarding Anakin.
Plagueis doing it himself makes more sense than Palpatine doing it.
Indeed. That was always my thinking was that Plagueis set the wheels in motion for Anakin's conception but outside of Palpatine's knowledge. Thus, Anakin ends up on a backwater until discovered by the Jedi.
Huh - Now THAT is an interesting take. I honestly never considered that Plagueis himself would have been responsible for creating Anakin and not Palpatine. I always assumed (possibly incorrectly) that it was Palpatine. That would neatly explain his focus on training Maul as his apprentice, leading up to Anakin's discovery on Tatooine by the Jedi.
I'm not familiar with the timeline there. Does Anakin's birth coincide within ~9 months of Palpatine removing Plagueis from the board? If it tracks, time-wise, then this is a much more plausible series of events.
I'm not familiar with the timeline there. Does Anakin's birth coincide within ~9 months of Palpatine removing Plagueis from the board? If it tracks, time-wise, then this is a much more plausible series of events.
I never minded the Force possible creative aspect, but I do disagree with Palpatine as causing Anakin. If he did from knowledge from Plagueis then the knowledge to stop people from dying would not be his carrot to Anakin.
While I don't know the timeline, I imagine Palpatine was working to usurp his master and did so shortly before the Naboo Crisis.
While I don't know the timeline, I imagine Palpatine was working to usurp his master and did so shortly before the Naboo Crisis.
Wow. Those look damn nice. I hope Red-5 eventually winds up with R2D2, though. 