I've always wondered why there was more damage on the Enterprise in Star Trek III than was shown in Star Trek II. Clearly, there's more damage shown in ST III where Khan & Reliant didn't even touch her so I'm wondering how that happened.
It's meant to be the same battle damage. Artistic license, like Kylo Ren's scar moving an inch between movies.
Amusingly, if the old DC Comics from that time positing a whole epic range of adventures taking place between II & III could be taken as canon (it isn’t), that’s explained by it being from an entirely different later incident, where a pon farr-maddened Saavik attacked the Enterprise with a small ship.
Pictures showing what differences are in mind would be nice.
DC Comics explanation works for me.
Forgetful ILM artists not working from accurate continuity polaroids.
Well, I'm thinking more tactically so let's break it down...
In the first battle, Khan raked Enterprise's portside, damaging engineering and a spot on the saucer (I suspect that had to be something to do with phaser power on the port side, which had been later restored). He did not hit the port nacelle at all (though, if he had, Enterprise would have been toast later on)...
In the chase to the nebula, Reliant fires a torpedo that made it to the starboard aft section of Enterprise's engineering hull. That hit didn't show later in the nebula but it did in ST III. That hit didn't apparently didn't affect Enterprise's fighting capability...
In the nebula fight, again, Khan hits Enterprise on her portside, only this time it took out the torpedo tube. Lucky there wasn't an armed / loaded torpedo there or Enterprise could have literally been blown in half...
Summary: Khan apparently concentrated on Enterprise's portside and still managed to hurt her quite badly. Yet, he never touched the port nacelle or the starboard side (save for that aft starboard torpedo).
I've talked to a major Trek guru about it and even he couldn't figure out, other than Nimoy wanted to show the Enterprise more hurt than Meyers had shown her in ST II. So I'm trying to wrap my head around where did that other damage come from? If we go on the premise that Enterprise had been nearly crippled by the end of ST II, wouldn't it stand to reason that the other starboard damage would have done her in (and only plot armor saving her)?
In the first battle, Khan raked Enterprise's portside, damaging engineering and a spot on the saucer (I suspect that had to be something to do with phaser power on the port side, which had been later restored). He did not hit the port nacelle at all (though, if he had, Enterprise would have been toast later on)...
In the chase to the nebula, Reliant fires a torpedo that made it to the starboard aft section of Enterprise's engineering hull. That hit didn't show later in the nebula but it did in ST III. That hit didn't apparently didn't affect Enterprise's fighting capability...
In the nebula fight, again, Khan hits Enterprise on her portside, only this time it took out the torpedo tube. Lucky there wasn't an armed / loaded torpedo there or Enterprise could have literally been blown in half...
Summary: Khan apparently concentrated on Enterprise's portside and still managed to hurt her quite badly. Yet, he never touched the port nacelle or the starboard side (save for that aft starboard torpedo).
I've talked to a major Trek guru about it and even he couldn't figure out, other than Nimoy wanted to show the Enterprise more hurt than Meyers had shown her in ST II. So I'm trying to wrap my head around where did that other damage come from? If we go on the premise that Enterprise had been nearly crippled by the end of ST II, wouldn't it stand to reason that the other starboard damage would have done her in (and only plot armor saving her)?
Not gonna be any pics?
Plus, there was the whole Klingon-Federation war between the two films. If not battle damage, then going into wormhole space to attack the Klingon space station could have scored the hull.
Didn't happen.
During the sprint from Regula to the nebula, Reliant fires a single torpedo at the Enterprise and is narrowly misses the ship, hence Saavik's "That was close."
Of the three Reliant-fired torpedos, the only one that hit the Enterprise was during the first attack, right after Kirk and Spock discuss the damage, and that's only seen on the Enterprise's viewscreen, but we don't actually see it hit the ship. It could be what created the damage on the underside of the saucer in subsequent shots.
If you do that, we skip three of my favorite movies.
@Maurice I didn't think of that... I thought it had hit.
The Reliant fires a torpedo on Enterprise's starboard quarter
The Reliant fires a torpedo on Enterprise's starboard quarter
I feel like Ive read that somewhere else as well "The Additional Damage is from internal explosions caused by the fight with Reliant."
I dont like the theory that Enterprise went on other missions between II-III because watching the movies it seems obvious that III takes place directly after II.
i think it's fair to say that there's been at least a couple of weeks between them, time enough for repairs to be almost completed and most of the cadets offloaded, presumably by other ships meeting the enterprise en route.
After most of the crew were on Excelsior except for Spock who got a Gagarin/Oberth. Bringing back fond memories from my youth!
It's really funny though. They go through insane changes (Kirk commands Excelsior, Spock the USS Sarek), tons happens and --BAM!-- reset button awkwardly hit so everything seems to be right back where it was at the end of the prior movie.
And in one case it involves a LOT of death.
