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Humans also were the primary forging factor in creating first the Coalition of Planets and then the Federation, so the warp drive inventor for the planet that basically altered the course of galactic history would probably be the one getting the most attention from historians and the press.
 
Tellarites may have been warp capable for so long they forgot who invented warp drive on their world. It's possible Vulcans aren't even sure who was their Cochrane. I think they would have lived around the time of Surak. I might be wrong but I think it was implied they were like Earth's 22nd Century in Surak's time.
 
We know the Ferengi bought warp drive from another power that's never been identified and they had warp engines by 2151, but other than that we're in the dark about when the Ferengi Alliance became an interstellar power.
 
This is more about franchises in general than just Star Trek, but ever notice that when there’s lots of negativity about a series, it always first develops before the series airs, rather than during it? I can’t think of any where everybody expected it to be great, and the negativity only started after people had a chance to see it.
 
From the new Steve Shives video about the cancellation of SFA and the legacy of Alex Kurtzman.
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This is more about franchises in general than just Star Trek, but ever notice that when there’s lots of negativity about a series, it always first develops before the series airs, rather than during it? I can’t think of any where everybody expected it to be great, and the negativity only started after people had a chance to see it.
This is becoming more and more prevalent in my awareness. There isn't a desire to seek to enjoy Star Trek as entertainment but to gather around, mock it and wait for it's fall. There is a certain glee over it's failures, and no sympathy for any successes. Any success is attributed as an error, or poor standards on the part of the viewers.

There seems to be far more enjoyment at the idea of Star Trek and noting deficiencies than actual entertainment watching.
 
This is becoming more and more prevalent in my awareness. There isn't a desire to seek to enjoy Star Trek as entertainment but to gather around, mock it and wait for it's fall. There is a certain glee over it's failures, and no sympathy for any successes. Any success is attributed as an error, or poor standards on the part of the viewers.

There seems to be far more enjoyment at the idea of Star Trek and noting deficiencies than actual entertainment watching.
Curse of too much “information.”
 
Spock noted that "The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities."

So there must have been something unique, at least, about Cochrane's system using nacelles, and humans could have this bull-headed sense of "wanting to do things their way" and continuing with that basis, instead of trying to mimic the Vulcan ring technology, even if the Vulcans had decided to disclose the specs to the humans.
Going only by "Metamorphosis," you could make the case that Zefram Cochrane being the "discoverer of space warp" perhaps meant that he discovered a natural phenomenon that he was able to reverse engineer into warp drive. IIRC, I don't think that episode ever says he was actually the inventor of warp drive.
 
Going only by "Metamorphosis," you could make the case that Zefram Cochrane being the "discoverer of space warp" perhaps meant that he discovered a natural phenomenon that he was able to reverse engineer into warp drive. IIRC, I don't think that episode ever says he was actually the inventor of warp drive.
Completely true.

Which is where the TAS Bonaventure came from. It must have been extremely expensive in terms of raw materials, so why build her? Kzinti. And she under this line of thought, wouldn't have been the only one.

The expanse angle just occurred to me as I was writing this.

In other words I bet that one of her sister ships was named Aragon.
 
From the new Steve Shives video about the cancellation of SFA and the legacy of Alex Kurtzman.
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Gene's words can technically only be applied directly and literally to the shows he had direct influence in and direct reaction to, otherwise it's potential misapplication. Since Gene didn't create or participate in SFA, we don't and can't know how Gene would have reacted to any series made after his death. Based on what he has said in other matters, he'd perhaps loathe what DS9 turned into, calling it no less "apocryphal" than STV TFF*. But, again, what I just wrote falls into the identical category and for all we know he'd embrace the Dominion War, "In the Pale Moonlight", et cetera. But we don't know either way, and never will.

More to putting up random quotes, here's a bunch more quotes and not taken from a youtube reaction channel but from a literary source that directly deals with it all:
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/43942.Gene_Roddenberry

There are several of interest, and while anyone can say anything, here's one of the funner ones:

“If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear.”
― Gene Roddenberry

Which begs a question - which came first, that one or the one that the YouTube channel host put up for viewers to freeze-frame? Or both, simultanous, perhaps? At what point did one morph into the other? By him or somebody else? We don't know. Let's continue down the bunnyhole: Did Gene even give a damn about the axed show until finding out how successful Trek was in syndication? He certainly felt a need to retcon and wipe out elements of TOS he didn't like for TNG (often with the same people who helped make TOS), made 20 years later...

Add to more irony upon the heap of ironies, AI told me this:

Gene Roddenberry did not initially treat Star Trek as his primary passion, shifting his focus toward it only after its popularity grew in syndication during the 1970s. While he was a strong advocate for his idealistic, utopian vision, his early, restrictive creative guidelines (no interpersonal conflict) actually hindered the series.

and this

Gene Roddenberry did not dismiss Star Trek during its original run, but he became intensely protective and protective of its legacy only after it found popularity in syndication during the 1970s. While the show was airing (1966–1969), he was active but struggling with network censorship; the post-cancellation, massive, cult-like popularity shifted his attitude toward "protecting" his vision, leading to a much tighter, sometimes controlling, grip on the franchise during the TNG era.

Accuracy or lack thereof presiding, let's just take those and the quotes at face value for the moment and then think into it for an entertainment-driven thrill. Why would he also do stuff like this if he sincerely believed about humanity uniting?


Now, I know of at least one decent answer, but instead of going down that rabbit hole as the dichotomy is as profound, I'll keep on track with this quoted reply for now:
As much as the concept of Star Trek has taken hold and has many fans and fanatics (trekkers and trekkies), the creator was a flawed person.

^^this, since some of the best Trek didn't involve his vision but entertainment is invariably subjective to the audience, which may as well be a herd of cats. But the flaws and sheer complexity of him are what make him the most interesting...

And yet,


The show was saved when Gene Roddenberry organized sci-fi fans into writing letters to praise the show. Because of the letters, the show was kept on for a second and third season. However, by the third season the network was determined to destroy the show, and they put it on Friday night at 10 pm.

That's pretty cool that Gene was really doing it for the fans! Again, he was very complex.

But, when all is said and done and here's the true controversial opinion that some might have: It's just a tv show, just like any other show with fanbases that discuss episodes and those who made it (the writers, actors, creators, etc, each show took many). Like it or not, it's entertainment first and foremost. Even though there's little that's controversial about it.



* Here's another quote:

“I handed them a script and they turned it down. It was too controversial. It talked about concepts like, 'Who is God?' The Enterprise meets God in space; God is a life form, and I wanted to suggest that there may have been, at one time in the human beginning, an alien entity that early man believed was God, and kept those legends. But I also wanted to suggest that it might have been as much the Devil as it was God. After all, what kind of god would throw humans out of Paradise for eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. One of the Vulcans on board, in a very logical way, says, 'If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He's got so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a supreme being.”
― Gene Roddenberry

Doesn't it read surprisingly close to TFF in some ways? Is it possible that that quote was about TFF in an earlier form, before it was rewritten and he merely disliked the rewrites? Well, we can't conjecture too much but it's interesting that the quote shown there was the synopsis for Phase II's premiere, "The God Thing", which was rejected for being... too controversial. In the end, I don't think even humanity's most renowned script writer ever of all time could have remolded that a consistent, solid storyline.)
 
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But, when all is said and done and here's the true controversial opinion that some might have: It's just a tv show, just like any other show with fanbases that discuss episodes and those who made it (the writers, actors, creators, etc, each show took many). Like it or not, it's entertainment first and foremost. Even though there's little that's controversial about it.

*ahem* "Historical documents."

(I don't remember what I was going to write because I just went down a Galaxy Quest rabbit hole. It's possible that movie is UNDER rated.)
 
The problem with the 22nd century Vulcan ringships is the design was technologically superior to the saucer-and-nacelles ships, which in the real world would have meant humans would have copied the superior design and never even bothered with the saucer-and-nacelle ships.

It's possible that the humans (and perhaps the Vulcans) were aware that Cochrane's design was theoretically superior, but had a long way to go to fully reach its potential.

In-universe, the basic configuration continued to get faster until at least the 2390s.

This is more about franchises in general than just Star Trek, but ever notice that when there’s lots of negativity about a series, it always first develops before the series airs, rather than during it? I can’t think of any where everybody expected it to be great, and the negativity only started after people had a chance to see it.

I remember a fair amount of optimism for Discovery, even if there was some trepidation after the uniforms were revealed. The backlash grew rapidly after the show actually aired.
 
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