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Transition and explanation of SNW into TOS technology

Really, dude? FFS, I knew it was being used as a distraction to talk about me versus talking about the facts, but I didn't expect someone to go as low as actually looking, but then pretending one item was all that was in the thread as a personal attack vector.

Ugh. Fine.

As I note in the thread:

"Note that "attention" usually just refers to being cited as a reference or footnote, I think, rather than anything more specific, unless otherwise noted. Still cool, though."

The list includes the journals Extrapolations, purportedly the original journal for academic study of science fiction, the Journal of Cinema and Media Studies (with note "For a detailed overview on the canon wars {...}", which also appeared in a book from Amsterdam University Press "Star Wars and the History of Transmedia Storytelling", the amusingly-Neryk-list-esque Journal of Fandom Studies, and as a reference specifically on Star Trek canon from some large book's appendix I have yet to uncover published on the MIT site.

So, as I said, my work on Trek and Wars canon policies is referenced in scholarly journals. I have not dug much further to see if it shows up anywhere else in that regard, but then there are many links and references on various boards and discussion forums where my work is also referenced and quoted, so the search parameters matter.

So there. Now, how about something other than eyerolls on the actual topic of the thread? Or should I take the efforts at distraction as evidence of concession?

You’re the one who made the claim. So don’t get pissy when people do their research and call you out on it.

Oh, and if I haven’t made it abundantly clear by now, the TOS/TMP Enterprise should be larger than the official size. So for all its faults, SNW got it right in that regard. But the ship still isn’t going to look like the TOS Enterprise by the series finale.
 
You’re the one who made the claim. So don’t get pissy when people do their research and call you out on it.

Nobody did "their research", nor is posting partial info and pretending it is the entirety something that could reasonably be described as a "call you out" situation. That's just straight pretending in order to distract from the failures of the positions you just declared to withstand scrutiny, and I knew that sort of nonsense was coming as soon as you asked for details (hence the link only).

Be better.
 
Nobody did "their research", nor is posting partial info and pretending it is the entirety something that could reasonably be described as a "call you out" situation. That's just straight pretending in order to distract from the failures of the positions you just declared to withstand scrutiny, and I knew that sort of nonsense was coming as soon as you asked for details (hence the link only).

Be better.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, I’m done with your nonsense as well. Let us all know when scholarly journals post your prize for winning the internet.
 
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Yeah, I’m done with your nonsense as well. Let us all know when scholarly journals post your prize for winning the internet.

LOL.

Just to review, in this and previous engagements, some of you try to suggest I don't know what I'm talking about regarding canon, and in this instance one of you appeared to be purporting to correct me on how it works. Since rational argument and evidence in the production staff's own words has tended not to sway some of you, I figured I'd try noting, in addition to past references about Wikipedians and YouTubers lifting my material, that there had been academic references. So, I said "my work on Trek and Wars canon policies is referenced in scholarly journals" . . . and this is now demonstrated, up to and including one author's note referring to my "detailed overview" of the topic.

Does it mean I am right? No, of course not. The quotes of producers and such do that. My work comes in explaining it.

So, posture and feign a mocking tone all you like over the references, but that point is proven and you can take your L.
 
SNW actually presented a solution to the whole Vulcan Moon thing.

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I might be mistaken, but I think this solution dates back many years, the SNW Graphics designers didn't come up with it. Though Kerkhov is new, created for the episode this chart appears in.

Edit: Yeah, they show the system in Star Charts, and it's depicted like this.
 
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If you're going to disregard the notion that the production staff just moved the bridge pieces around thinking it would look better, then "embiggen all the things" is still a less reasonable option than sunken bridge.

I've had a fun time pointing out that the Enterprise-E bridge doesn't fit, for instance, but that's no reason to override known length as a first conclusion.

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And that'll be another reason why I stick with official sizes.
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FWIW, the name is far older than Diane Duane's novels. T'Khutian Press was a Star Trek fanzine publisher in the 1970's.

Thank you. According to what appears to be the web page for T'Kuhtian Press, that I found with Google and that was last updated in 2011, the name T'Kuht for the sister planet of Vulcan was coined by Gordon Carleton, in 1975 [link]. The misspelling/respelling is also described there.
 
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Broken poster boy, still wants the Enterprise to look like WNMHFB or TOS, regardless of the SNW esthetics, buy the time Kirk is in command.
 
FWIW, the name is far older than Diane Duane's novels. T'Khutian Press was a Star Trek fanzine publisher in the 1970's.

Thank you. According to what appears to be the web page for T'Kuhtian Press, that I found with Google and that was last updated in 2011, the name T'Kuht for the sister planet of Vulcan was coined by Gordon Carleton, in 1977 [link]. The misspelling/respelling is also described there.

Huh. I always thought the name was a Duane invention. Thanks for the info.

Broken poster boy, still wants the Enterprise to look like WNMHFB or TOS, regardless of the SNW esthetics, buy the time Kirk is in command.

I’m sorry.
 
I wrote this Memory Alpha section after the SNW episode came out!


The idea of Vulcan having a sister planet was proposed by D.C. Fontana to resolve the contradiction between the appearance of a celestial body in Vulcan's sky in TAS: "Yesteryear", and Spock's statement in TOS: "The Man Trap" that "Vulcan has no moon." The planet was first named as "T'Kuht" in the "Landing Party Six" series of stories, published in 1975 as part of the Warped Space fanzine headed up by Gordon Carleton. Subsequently, beginning with the 1984 novel The Vulcan Academy Murders by Jean Lorrah, the name was picked up by various non-canonical licensed works; the spelling changed to "T'Khut" in Spock's World by Diane Duane, published in 1988. [1]
 
Star Trek has little in the way of official, organized continuity - it's revised and overwritten almost whimsically.

Because Trek has never had a plan or overall "vision." Each incarnation rolls along, as long as it's meeting the studio's expectations for success - until it doesn't.

At which point, new folks take the helm and change the emphasis and details of the thing.

The "history" of Khan is one example. The global war(s) lying in our immediate future are another...as are the Klingons mentioned uptopic.

When the folks running the show change, the framing of "canon" changes to suit their requirements. That's the way Star Trek has always worked.
 
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Which is why we’re not going to see a ship designed in the 2020’s morph into a ship designed in the 1960’s just to satisfy some esoteric need for ‘canon.’
Morphing would be terrible.

I want engineers to go in there and take it apart.
 
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