It's a combination Western and Horror series, set in outer space. Plenty of terrible things to find out there.
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That is another point, i.e. OBrien and Bashir committed treason by kidnapping Sloan, who was a Federation official engaged in lawful operations, as Sisko said when he brought up the Changeling plague with Starfleet Command, and they approved it etc... and curing the Changelings, was the ultimate treason, since they could easily have just continued the war to the end now that they had the cure.
And Sloan DYING as a result, was definitely felony murder.
Just like Sisko getting Garak in The pale Moonlight etc... Ive seen less preaching from Televangelists on Christmas.
More like Western and Space series. Westerns were being replaced by Spy and Space based progams, and so The Wild Wild West combined westerns with spies, while Star Trek combined westerns with space... in fact they sometimes having the same plot, like in The Night of the Burning Diamond from TWWW, having the same plot as Star Trek's In the Blink of an Eye.
What if the Makotians came back for their piece of the action, with warp driven DeSotos and photon tommy guns?
The very first episode is a vampire story.
Leonard Nimoy said it wasnt a very good episode... but that it was only chosen to be first, because there was a monster in it. The other episodes mostly showed peaceful resolution of conflict, wherever possible.
If you want to argue kidnapping Sloan was illegal, fine, but it was not treason. Not by any definition of the word.
Starfleet Command didn't approve the Changeling plague, they just looked the other way after learning about it. Which is still just as horrible, but is not technically the same thing.
While it's true Odo did violate direct orders from the Federation Council, since he is himself not a Federation citizen, treason is not applicable in this instance.
Section 31 wanted to commit genocide to end a war. In no real world situation (at least in a democratic society) could you do that without legal ramifications and looking like a bad guy.
Well, no, since the Sledgehammer video was actually released before Beyond was.
I didn't know that. Interesting. Still canon.
This I was not arguing.
Agreed. They had very plausible deniability that Sloan was working for the Federation at all. Later retcons of Star Trek proved Sec 31 was official-ish, but I'm still not convinced this vastly pruned version of it was official at all. Something like "The Pond" that was an American intelligence agency but never official and wasn't even acknowledged by the government for a half-century after it ceased to exist.
Except in time of war, which compromised the Federation during the war effort.
They gave Sisko orders not to interfere, so it is the same thing... and it wasnt so horrible, because Sisko correctly said that the Dominion was the aggressors, and he had done similar questionable things in the war.
I said OBrien and Bashir did it. The fact that Odo may have acted alone afterward, does not change that.
Vae victus!
If Section 31 had their way, the Founders would have died and there would have been no one to turn the war off. The Jem'Hadar and Vorta would have fought to the last man.
What few Cardassians that would be left on Cardassia Prime after both the Jem'Hadar genocide and being caught in-between the Federation's invasion would be 10 times worse than the 800 MILLION DEAD that happened anyway. And if the Vorta couldn't keep the flow of Ketracel White going, then the Jem'Hadar goes bezerk across 2 different quadrants killing billions of innocent people.
The only reason more people didn't die is because Bashir saves Odo who saves the Female Changeling on the condition of surrender.
Maybe. But the fact is, they had only a few episodes complete enough to be the opener.
they were not replacements. Westerns had a long happy life ahead of them on TV, even surviving the rural purge by reinventing themselves continually. Yes Little House is a western. Yes, Dr Quinn is a western, and though forgotten Outlaws (1986-1987) is a time travelling western.
And sci-fi westerns weren't some gimmic Roddenberry had come up with. They'd been around since the 1930s. They might not make it into Campbell's Astounding as much since he had a formula, but everyone else was buying and writers could just change settings and names and sell an unsold manuscript to someone else. At 1/4¢ a word you do what you got to do to eat.
And people were buying
That isnt what we saw... rather, the Vorta would have surrendered to save themselves, ordering the Jem Hdar into a suicide mission if necessary.
Not for long. Once they ran out, theyd become helpless within days as we also saw.
It would be only a matter of time, so the Federation could simply retreat and run the clock down.
He made no such condition, and even if he did then all evidence showed that the Changelings would never honor it with solids.
Oh, and looking at the production paperwork, according to the episode status report dated August 29, 1966, only “The Man Trap” had actually been completed. The show debuted on NBC 10 days later, and before that in Canada.
The Sept 6th status report makes clear the only shows that were complete were "Where No Man Has Gone Before," "The Man Trap," and "Charlie X," so even if "The Naked Time" was ready five minutes after that memo was sent, it was too late to change anything.
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