What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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The one thing that disappointed me with the film.
We already knew this from Seven of Nine because her parents already knew about the Borg.
Suspicious to say the least
I have a handful of disappointments for that film. Section 31 is not one of them. Don't think it makes it to the top ten.
I'll take your word for that. I've only seen bits and pieces of ENT, so while I'm aware that Section 31 came up, I've never actually seen any of the episode(s?) where it did.
Interesting! Would you mind expounding on why TOS was darker? I'm not disagreeing with you, I've never really considered it in that light. I will say I don't think DS9 (my favorite Trek) was as dark as some people, both defenders and detractors, claim it was.
"The Cage" deals with people falling into the trap of addiction and then abduction and slavery to top it all off. Much of the rest of Trek does a fair deal of dealing with things like trauma.
I don't have a long screed. I just think people tend to dismiss the story value of TOS because it was made in the 1960's with the technology at hand.
How many times episodes end with people just dead or having to kill or beat up on friends. That alone is some dark stuff. Nevermind the enjoyment of torturing characters.
"Errand of Mercy" is pretty dark. Not just the Klingon invasion and mind-sifter. But how clueless Kirk and Spock are because they believe they are the superior people with the ability to "save" Organia. Even though that price would end with millions of their population dead.
Joe Tormolen is still dead at the end of "The Naked Time," even after they go back in time a couple of days. TOS and "reset button" were only rarely acquainted.
I'm trying to think. Is there a time where TOS completely wiped away the events of an episode at the end? I'm drawing a blank.
Probably the final one, getting Lester and Kirk back in their own bodies? Probably also the enemy within, getting Kirk put back together with the transporter. Spock's Brain - McCoy putting it all back in - can't believe there weren't some residual issues from that procedure. He was completely restored?
Not as egregious as what came later, certainly.
I dunno...
Not as egregious as what came later, certainly.
I dunno...
Probably the final one, getting Lester and Kirk back in their own bodies? I dunno...
For each of the characters the events still "happened". I'm thinking of something in the vein of "Yesterday's Enterprise" or "Year of Hell".
The operation manual really should have an entry: When the Klingons are committing war crimes against a conquered population double to check to see that they are really mortal beings getting killed. It might be no big deal and you'll only be stressing yourself out for no purpose. And you may appear clueless.
I came up with a few more, but yeah, not as big as those.
Or: when the aliens in the room seem to know exactly what is going on with no apparent communication devices or orbital facilities, slow your roll. Something more may be at play.
The 1701 crew retain their memories of Captain Christopher and July 1969, but everyone else has their memories reset by transporter beam-ins.
I think that was the intent, without a doubt. Though I bet Christopher and the guard had plenty of wild dreams and it may have affected them on a larger scale.
That poor unicorn-dog is still dead.
The canineoceros? (PIC has a "bunnicorn", after all) My attempt at a portmanteau species name.
Hmm. I'm wondering now if the darkness of TOS was partially because of the strong Western influence. My mom loved Westerns, so I grew up watching a lot of reruns of Gunsmoke, Bonanza, The Rifleman, High Chaparral, The Big Valley, etc. (Funnily enough, not a whole lot of Wagon Train.) That stuff could get dark as hell.
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