What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Wow, that was a lot of words in response to an obvious joke.
Would you expect anything different?
The post's greater sin was inviting ALIEN as part of Star Trek discussion.
(*cracks knuckles*)
Great. Didn't damage anything.
Debatable. And people will debate. Dax says no. Perhaps that's the damage?
Fact.
Compared to what, and when? Original Star Trek was fairly progressive for 1966. Positively right wing for 2026. War mongering and colonialist by many modern lights.
Didn't know this was a thing.
Pheh.
True.
It's in the running to be sure. Probably top two. (That's the novelization where Gene Roddenberry says that Kirk and Spock were not a couple.)
If he wasn't then Winn certainly was.
Burnham was OK and season two was pretty great with a bad beginning and an awful ending. (But the time skip was a good idea.) Were all of Disco's MacGuffin resolutions terrible? The Burn certainly was. The arc of season 2 was not good and the good to great episodes were good to great in spite of it not because of it.
No idea.
This is a matter of undeniable fact.
Hard agree. Ground zero for so many of the things that I dislike about later series and films.
Eh, I feel as if I’m in a minority on this one but I like Georgiou. I like bad people, largely because I am, inherently, a bad person myself.
I like the way that you say things.
Is it though? I thought people where over the moon for it.
There’s a divide.
I liked the first half.
The second half, basically from ‘Surprise, it’s the Borg!… Again!’, I was done and the experience poisoned the whole thing.
The first 5 episodes of Season 1 of Picard are my favorites. It spirals into pointlessness after that for me.
TBH I liked Picard season 2 the best, I guess.
I didn't really care for season one exept Nepenthe which was shockingly great. The Romulan, and robot plots where both huge misses for me, and I really didn't need any more Picard in my life.
Season 2 I liked the silly fun new take on the Borg Queen and that was enough to make me enjoy it, at least whenever she was on screen. The time travel wasn't the worst time travel, did not care for Q or the weird gary 7 stuff.
By season three they got rid of all their original characters, leaving the only one I don't like, Raffi on the cast. The fanservice was horribly over the top and it was just... dumb. Vadic was the worst, and the borg again, and getting a picard surprise son was just yawn.
That is an interesting point. Why do you think so?
Its not that shes a bad person, Dukat and Winn are bad people and they are the best, I just didn't feel like the show really understood how bad of a person she was.
The concept of section 31 is the biggest one for me, they keep coming back over and over and at some point I think the writers forgot that they where the bad guys(even in ds9). Discovery season 1 and 2 lighting is probably inspired by ds9 lighting, and the amount of serialized 'war' plots increased afterwords.
Is she worse than Dukat though?
There’s degrees obviously, but I don’t get why some nazis get a pass and others don’t.
I like both characters whilst recognizing both are despicable.
A little worse maybe, seeing as she has like wiped out entire species and such but grading evil at this point isn't meaningful, I think Dukat could have been as bad if he had more power. I don't think the Characters on discovery treat her as if she is as evil as she is and they let her walk all over them in very frustrating ways. Sisko and Dukat, and Kira and Dukat work together on many occasions but they don't treat him with kid gloves.
I also can't take it seriously that Michael would care so much about someone just because they look like someone she was close to in the past.
Do we really taste like chicken?
We're never supposed to be rooting for Dukat and Winn.
Agree, except I think it's only great in its first and second (and maybe third) seasons, after that it falls off a cliff and the scant few good episodes afterward are overwhelmingly one-offs written by freelancers or guest writers.
Agree, to this day no idea wtf they were thinking. I think it only comes up in its worst form in like four TNG episodes but they're so appalling that it colours the whole (Berman-era) franchise, and especially Picard as a character.
Agree, the oft-touted progressivism in both the classic and modern eras feels more like centrist American liberalism that just presents safe, socially-acceptable views that most viewers already either agree with or tolerate (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, for a TV show going for mass appeal). I think Star Trek TOS was demonstrably less progressive than a few other shows on TV at the time.
Agree, the claim has always been bizarre - Kirk and Picard, especially Kirk, actually do completely change personality and worldview each week. Janeway's comparatively relatively consistent, aside from suddenly becoming a bit more hard-edged around season four.
Soft disagree, I think it's boring but its reputation as the worst thing ever produced is definitely way overstated (and the salamander ending is genuinely funny).
Soft agree, it's the most obnoxious and unlikeable season by far but it's also the only one that even sort of manages to tell a plot, even if it's a terrible one. Of course the best season is S2 which is unparalleled on TV. Seven of Nine fights ISIS while android-Picard dreams of his mother being locked in the attic like Wide Sargasso Sea. No joke, S2 of Picard has given me more enjoyment than anything else released since 2017, I sometimes show it to people who've never seen Star Trek before.
Quite a lot! I agree and disagree with everything...
DS9 While being great damaged the franchise. - Agree DS9 is great, disagree it damaged the franchise.
Kirk is hotter than Spock. - I have no opinion on this.
The Prime Directive (as it exists in the Berman era) is morally bankrupt and indefensible. - Disagree, but this could be an entire thread in itself.
Star Trek isn't as progressive as the "Star Trek was always woke" crowd think. - Agreed and disagree at the same time. Also can be an entire thread.
Captain Janeway is not written any more inconsistently than other trek characters and is not bipolar. - Hard disagree. She'll be very staunchly for sticking to Starfleet regulations and principles one episode, and in the very next completely disregards them. (Example: "REMEMBER", Janeway says they cannot investigate on the Enaran world that holocaust. Very next produced episode, "THE SWARM", she invades a sovereign power's territory after receiving a warning, clearly violating Starfleet rules, something Tuvok pointed out, as well. Then, back to 'rulebook Janeway'. This happened a number of times in VOY... sometimes even within the same episode. Certainly gives off the appearance of inconsistency in writing her.)
Paramount are cowards for not making Kirk and Spock a couple in snw. - If this was done, this would completely cement that the entire current era (DISCO and SNW, anyway) is NOT the Prime Timeline. I agree if the decision is to make it a different timeline, disagree if the decision is to make it the Prime Timeline.
Take me out to the Holosuite is the best episode of ds9. - Agreed it is a wonderful episode... disagree it is the best one.
TMP is the best Star Trek film. - Agree it is a great film... disagree it is THE best film.
Dukat was not a victim of character assassination. - Agreed fully.
Michael Burnahm is a good character AND the first two seasons of disco sucked. - Hard disagree that Burnham was a good character. Hard agree that the first two seasons of DISCO sucked. (For me, the 3rd and 2nd worst, respectively, in the entire franchise. Only beaten by PICARD season 2.)
Threshold is pretty decent actually. - Hard agree! Great character beats and scenes for Tom, very cool story, and good body horror. Only the last few minutes hurts this episode, but not enough to damage it badly.
Season 3 of Picard is the worst season of Picard. - Hard disagree. It was the best of PICARD.
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