What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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LOOK AT THIS MISERABLE....SQUASHED THING.
How would you have written them?
Well, no insectoids variant, and definitely have them as a power rising in the wake of the Dominion losing influence and expanding more.
I like that concept. Would make a good 25th century arc.
This is only controversial if your first best first season is somehow Enterprise season one.
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I love ENT and I would never rank ENT as the best Season 1.
Enterprise didn't even have the best premier episode of Star Trek.
Though if it didn't have the Temporal Cold War, it would be up there with the best.
The Cage is the only true Star Trek. If the pilot hadn't sold, it would have eventually become a cult movie.
I only like TOS, and in Black and White.
The Xindi are pretty cool but I don't really like how they where executed. The Aquatics don't get much screen time and the Species kind of sick to their own group too much. would have been cooler if their internal conflict was over something more interesting than species rivalry.
Also the mammals rule reptiles and bugs drool vibe was weird. and it's even weirder that Archer and presumably the Audience are supposed get invested in it. Kind of lame that the Guys that look like archer are redeemable and the Ugly Different ones are villainous.
Yes, they definitely fell into the "scary looking ones are evil, nice looking ones are friendly"-trap.
However I'm somewhat forgiving on this, because they made it pretty clear that it's the individual leaders and characters that are evil/not-evil, not the species as a whole. Like you just want your sci-fi villains to be some scary motherfuckers. But at the same time be open to make peace with them as well.
But they should have had some friendly reptiles & evil primates as well, yeah. The bugs turning last minute was a nice touch at least.
The other thing is - it's amazing how very, very little the Insectoids & Aquarians were actually on screen - because they were just so, so fucking expensive, it's literally just handful seconds/minutes over a whole season - but how the show still manages to make them feel like a fully fledged protagonist, that's there, memorable & important to the story.
FYI I was never a big fan of them developing all on the same planet - they could have just been related like Vulcans and Mintakans (or humans and the many human-likes). That stretched a bit believability.
OR had another explanation, like they were artificially created by the sphere builders or something.
Regarding the temporal conflict - I actually like it. Not because it's implemented so great. But it's the only way a prequel can at least pretend to have stakes & not having everything already be pre-determined (I mean yeah, in the end Earth still wouldn't be destroyed - but also the VOY wouldn't get destroyed in any episode either - it's just that there's a slight possibility there to create tension, instead of being 100% locked in).
Well the beauty of this thread is - you can voice any non-majority opinion here, that in any other thread just gets you swarmed & shitstormed.
And turns out - almost everyone of us holds quite a few non-majority opinions.
And turns out - almost everyone of us holds quite a few non-majority opinions.
Here are some of mine:
DS9 While being great damaged the franchise.
Kirk is hotter than Spock
The Prime Directive (as it exists in the Berman era) is morally bankrupt and indefensible.
Star Trek isn't as progressive as the "Star Trek was always woke" crowd think.
Captain Janeway is not written any more inconsistently than other trek characters and is not bipolar.
Paramount are cowards for not making Kirk and Spock a couple in snw.
Take me out to the Holosuite is the best episode of ds9.
TMP is the best Star Trek film.
Dukat was not a victim of character assassination
Michael Burnahm is a good character AND the first two seasons of disco sucked.
Threshold is pretty decent actually.
Season 3 of Picard is the worst season of Picard.
DS9 While being great damaged the franchise.
Kirk is hotter than Spock
The Prime Directive (as it exists in the Berman era) is morally bankrupt and indefensible.
Star Trek isn't as progressive as the "Star Trek was always woke" crowd think.
Captain Janeway is not written any more inconsistently than other trek characters and is not bipolar.
Paramount are cowards for not making Kirk and Spock a couple in snw.
Take me out to the Holosuite is the best episode of ds9.
TMP is the best Star Trek film.
Dukat was not a victim of character assassination
Michael Burnahm is a good character AND the first two seasons of disco sucked.
Threshold is pretty decent actually.
Season 3 of Picard is the worst season of Picard.
Because they drifted off course.
In 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' they are purposely probing beyond known space. This implies that long range probes are rarely done. Keeping in mind that "rare" doesn't mean a few ships being sent 'outthere' - it could be hundreds...just going beyond the immediate frontiers. The equivalent to a couple of people per ship checking something out (something akin to the USS Palomino of Walt Disney's 'The Black Hole'( you don't need much in the way of a lone ship)).
But this creates a problem.
Bringing up an old subject.
Since we know that there was a speed limitation on the Federation's ships, this implies a effective range limit.
Assume the Alien franchise idea, of a high level Droid running things till you need the humans...
In other words years of traveling, with little activity.
Basically you are going to stay home, not go anywhere unless it is deemed to be required.
So, by not sticking with the original intent, Gene Roddenberry and company goofed. The Enterprise was supposed to be going way outside the known to relatively known to, basically the totally unknown. Never back to Earth, till the end.
In other words the Enterprise was the uber ship. Why? Because of two hundred years of interstellar travel experience.
In other words the likelihood of her being overcome was next to zero.
For the Galaxy a century later to be overcome, so easily, most likely means that the Federation didn't send out enough long range probes.
Disagree with some of the above.
Agree with others.
But the one quoted, I strongly agree with. Esp. in regards to S01/02 of DSC. For me the show only really takes off in the third season.
I wasn't on board per say until they dumped Georgiou in s3, I love the actress but that Character gave me psychic damage whenever she was on screen. The season 3 concept was great, I think it could have been executed a lot better but I was happy to be in the new setting.
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