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Yikes! Did season 1 episode 6 use AI-generated art?

Yeah, looks like the base comic was drawn by a person, and then put through AI to finish it.



There's a hand in the image you posted lol. Holding the binoculars.
Of course that‘s how it could have been done. No one here seems to doubt that AI is capable of doing this stuff. But there‘s simply no proof that it indeed was. Vague vibes that it kinda sorta looks like something AI generated you‘ve once seen is no proof.

I‘m kinda suprised, to be honest, because I haven‘t really known you to be someone who doubts the words from actual people working on Trek to such an extent. What makes you think that they would lie in this case? Of course no-one has to take everything they say for gospel, these are just human beings too, but I simply don‘t understand why we would assume they feel the need to obfuscate or lie in this instance.

I've seen a lot of AI art, it has the tell tale signs.
Like what?
 
There's a strong anti-Ai push. I can absolutely see why someone who had (theoretically) used Ai in the creation of the images in question might want to conceal that fact.
Definitely. There’s also a strong urge to boast the fact that you’re future-oriented and use cutting edge AI technologies. So the opposite argument, that they would absolutely tell us if they had used AI, could also be made. But yes, this is probably less likely in the world of TV and movie making, where the stance against AI use is more prevalent.

Bottom line is, while to me the illustrations look definitely sub-par — not bad, but just not like professional comic art — they absolutely look like they were created by someone who doesn’t appear to be a professional comic book artist. Which seems to perfectly fit the profile of art director Stuart Pearce. Could they also have been created by AI? Sure. But that stance has the disadvantage of not having any concrete evidence to go with it. And it also contradicts the statements of the people who are producing the show. Additionally, I wonder if we wouldn’t expect the art to actually look more polished, less plain and closer to actual comic book art if they had indeed used AI. To my eye the shortcomings of the illustrations definitely look man-made.
 
Just to be clear, my post was not in any way an attempt to re-litigate the "Ai or not?" debate. It was only a comment about a reason why they might lie if it were indeed Ai.
 
Just to be clear, my post was not in any way an attempt to re-litigate the "Ai or not?" debate. It was only a comment about a reason why they might lie if it were indeed Ai.
Yes, and that’s how I read it too. :) Everything beyond the first paragraph is just more general thoughts on the matter, not a direct response to what you wrote.
 
I‘m kinda suprised, to be honest, because I haven‘t really known you to be someone who doubts the words from actual people working on Trek to such an extent. What makes you think that they would lie in this case? Of course no-one has to take everything they say for gospel, these are just human beings too, but I simply don‘t understand why we would assume they feel the need to obfuscate or lie in this instance.
Because abso-fucking-lutely everybody who had been caught using AI lies through their fucking teeth about it until they can't deny it even more, and then some. But everybody uses it.

This is like pre-martial sex or the culture wars in the US right now. They'll stand right in front of the proof and tell you the biggest, juiciest, most blatant, obvious lies.
And absolutely nobody cares whether it's the truth or not, just if you're on the right team.

And the Trek writers are on team clean, moral, woke good guys. AI is the amoral, unethical, anti-woke corporate doom of all creatives. OF COURSE they would lie about this.
 
Because abso-fucking-lutely everybody who had been caught using AI lies through their fucking teeth about it until they can't deny it even more, and then some. But everybody uses it.

This is like pre-martial sex or the culture wars in the US right now. They'll stand right in front of the proof and tell you the biggest, juiciest, most blatant, obvious lies.
And absolutely nobody cares whether it's the truth or not, just if you're on the right team.

And the Trek writers are on team clean, moral, woke good guys. AI is the amoral, unethical, anti-woke corporate doom of all creatives. OF COURSE they would lie about this.
I guess I’m just not as cynical as you are. And I consider myself a pretty cynical person. :shrug:
 
Because abso-fucking-lutely everybody who had been caught using AI lies through their fucking teeth about it until they can't deny it even more, and then some. But everybody uses it.

This is like pre-martial sex or the culture wars in the US right now. They'll stand right in front of the proof and tell you the biggest, juiciest, most blatant, obvious lies.
And absolutely nobody cares whether it's the truth or not, just if you're on the right team.

And the Trek writers are on team clean, moral, woke good guys. AI is the amoral, unethical, anti-woke corporate doom of all creatives. OF COURSE they would lie about this.
IOW, you have absolutely no evidence to present.

Got it.
 
IOW, you have absolutely no evidence to present.

Got it.
I mean... literally a six fingered hand on an otherwise perfect line-art.

If they would straight up come out and directly say "yes we used AI" it would be less conclusive evidence than the one we already have.

People lie about using AI. Creatives about not using it. Analytics & consultants about using it. It's a hot topic
 
I mean... literally a six fingered hand on an otherwise perfect drawing.
You won’t find an image with six fingers anywhere in these illustrations. At most there’s a hand that maybe shows five knuckles where there would be four. But that’s absolutely a kind of mistake a human artist could and would make as well. Fuck, I’ve probably done that myself at some point.

EDIT: For reference … IMHO, this is just a badly inked illustration. Not a “six-fingered hand”.

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You won’t find an image with six fingers anywhere in these illustrations. At most there’s a hand that maybe shows five knuckles where there would be four. But that’s absolutely a kind of mistake a human artist could and would make as well. Fuck, I’ve probably done that myself at some point.

And we also don't know if that character is "Human" or an alien with more knuckles.
 
I mean at this point somebody should just post this comic on https://www.reddit.com/r/isthisAI/ and let them collect all the evidence for us:lol:
You'd have no more than you do now, which is: nothing at all.

Your posts read as if you've had no recent experience with AI, if any ever.

BTW, people doing AI sleuthing run straight to websites where you upload the example for analysis - and a AI gives you the answer.

They generate a lot of false positives. :lol:

Anyway, at this point there's no controversy to be settled. Stuart Pearce drew the comic.
 
“Aaaaall the evidence”. And yet you can only point to a “six-fingered hand” that isn’t there.

And, like, all the other one. But that one is really the absolute nail in the coffin.

I love how the AI can't decide if the uniforms should have these visible iconic sewing lines around the shoulder & chest, or not, and then just makes them part of the cloth folding...

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Mixing up art styles in McCoys face (but consistent in colours & uniforms):
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Sun in the foreground:
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However it's also clearly touched up by a human - e.g. someone inserted the actual model of the myazaki ship into the title & other slides:
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Other than perhaps the sun none of these are obvious AI tells, let alone “evidence”.
 
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