I would prefer that, save the Temporal Wars which can burn in the special layer of hell.
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Doesn't the "T" in PTSD stand for traumatic?
Janeway and Voyager have been referenced multiple times on the Simpsons as well. Lenny in a Seven of Nine costume kills me.Enterprise is referenced in Futurama, as is Janeway, so like...
I think you need a bit more clarification than that. Still I doubt that proves any kind of point.Enterprise is referenced in Futurama, as is Janeway, so like...
You were questioning the cultural footprint shows like Voyager and Enterprise left behind. And she was telling you how they were referenced in one of the most critically respected and culturally influential adult animated cult comedies of all time. If that doesn’t prove to you that those shows became part of the cultural zeitgeist and our collective cultural lexicon then I don’t know what will.
Being referenced in a show that has been cancelled a few times? though so far in total it has run for 12 seasons through 3 networks.You were questioning the cultural footprint shows like Voyager and Enterprise left behind. And she was telling you how they were referenced in one of the most critically respected and culturally influential adult animated cult comedies of all time. If that doesn’t prove to you that those shows became part of the cultural zeitgeist and our collective cultural lexicon then I don’t know what will.
She should have at least provided some evidence for the claim because I'm not sure I have pulled up everything. So enterprise gets referenced 13 years ago by showing a part of the hull and a nacelle in a junkyard, i'm not sure how that counters my claim, it actually strengthens it.
I also believe I am talking about how it's remembered today not 13+ years ago.
Great, glad she keeps getting work. She is a good actress who has been in quite a few things.
Futurama keeps being brought back because its catalogue keeps proving to have value for whomever is holding at the time. That keeps all of its references present in much the same way the constant Simpsons reruns on television does.
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Well, I think no-one is trying to claim that the general populace are somehow hardcore Enterprise fans fondly remembering details of specific episodes or whatever. But generally people know that it’s that 2000s Trek show with “Sam Beckett” as the captain and the hot Vulcan chick in a tight catsuit. Voyager definitely managed to leave a more significant footprint. It’s anecdotal, but when I wear my Star Trek: Voyager tee-shirt in public, I regularly get random people telling me how fondly they remember the show. Almost everyone can recall Janeway, Seven of Nine and the doctor. I’m sure it’s different in each country, but Voyager was massively popular here in Germany, especially when Seven joined the show.
yes, and trauma refers to many different experiences...in the West we sometimes mistakenly only refer to it in the context of the military, but trauma can be many things: assault (sexual or otherwise), loss of a child, spouse, violence both physical and emotional.
maybe so , but the end game here for Paramount etc...is profit, and profit is inexorably tied to popularity. If Paramount is not turning the (expected) profit they need from this series or any other, it won't last. That's not an aspersion, just the reality.Fretting or crowing about the ratings is above my pay grade. Either I enjoy a show or don’t. It’s not an indication of quality or value, just popularity.
If I was worried about popularity, I wouldn’t be a Star Trek fan.
My endgame is being entertained. Even if it’s for just one or two seasons.
Unless any of us work for Paramount this is not our concern.
i get that,
without the numbers it will only be for one or two seasons, and most likely won't even make it to syndication where more millions await...."popularity" also equals longevity (e.g. The Simpsons and South Park)
Que sera, sera.
C'est la vie.
You'd be surprised in Voyager's case. There was that thing from Netflix a while back that showed that Voyager was dominating the top ten viewed Star Trek episodes (notably including Time and Again, which perhaps suggests more people started Voyager and stuck with it til its third episode than the other series).
Also, I don't know of I can prove this (maybe someone else can back me up) but I feel like Voyager does better with new/younger viewers than TNG or DS9 do; I'm guessing the new owners had some reason to believe this hence the oddly disproportionate focus on Voyager callbacks in their new shows aimed at child-to-teen audiences like PRO and SFA.
My niece liked it better than the other non-TOS shows FWIW, she found TNG extremely dull. I like TNG but if you watch it with someone who isn't already a fan and wasn't around when it was on, you do have to spend half the series saying "I promise it's not always this boring".
This is true, but the Neilson ratings are likely one of many metrics they are likely looking at. Other factors are also how is the show doing on its own platform as well as affiliate platforms like Prime where is has been in the top ten frequently. Is it driving subscriptions? Also, what is the social media impacts.
That being said, there is a lot going on beyond just ratings. There is Paramount/CBS attempt to purchase Warner Brothers which has them attempting to curry favor with Trump's administration. There is also the reality the Kurtzman's deal is up at the end of the year and no word yet on renewal. There are many factors at play in terms of whether the show gets a third season.
One advantage in Academy's favour, however, is that if the show is cancelled after season 2, that would mean no live action Trek shows would be in active production which given recent affirmations that Trek remains a priority, I question if that would happen.
I'm cautiously optimistic we'll probably get a third season. This is from someone who went into Academy expecting to loath it and I'm enjoying it. Is it the best Trek ever, no, but ironically for me it's the first Trek of the modern era that seems to be focusing more on the optimism in Trek rather than going darker.
