TAS Music Question

[Methuselah Flint]

Am I right in thinking that some TAS music was used in other shows?

Given we have the OST CD, which tracks in particular, and which shows?

Can anyone provide examples?

Or am I misremembering?

 

[mb22]

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Was there ever a sound track released for The Animated Series?

Hey, I'm trying to track down sound tracks for the various shows and movies, and while I've found some for the Original Series, I've never seen any for the Animated Series. With the Animated Series being the short and, I think, often forgotten show that it is, I wouldn't be surprised if there...

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[Christopher]

Oh, yes, definitely -- Filmation reused a lot of its library music in multiple shows. Some TAS cues were repurposed from Lassie's Rescue Rangers (whose pilot movie came out in 1972), or at least the two contemporary shows used them simultaneously. You can see some Lassie episodes here:

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It uses a lot of the same cues as TAS, including the cues listed on the 50th Anniversary album as "Something Ahead," "Fire Phasers," "Enterprise Wins the Space Race," "Battle Stations," "Enterprise Attacked," "Scanning," and "Kirk's Command." (The titles were invented for the anniversary album; it's unknown what the cues were originally called, if anything.) "Mr. Arex Lends an Extra Hand" might also be from Lassie, since it has a similar sound to "Battle Stations" and "Something Ahead," and I think "Trouble in Engineering," "Don't Mess With M'Ress," and "Oh My" might be too. The brief violin sting called "Surprise" was pretty much ubiquitous across Filmation's shows.

The cue listed as "Off Duty" is only the closing part of a longer cue originating in Lassie (using a melody featured in many of its cues, so it almost certainly originated there) and used in multiple Filmation shows including Shazam, Isis, Tarzan, and others. (In my childhood memory, I associate the cue most strongly with a scene of Tarzan laughing at the antics of his monkey sidekick N'kima. The full-length cue is one of my favorites.) "Battle Stations" was also used quite often in those shows as their default suspense music. "Just Another Stardate" is borrowed from Filmation's comedy shows; I remember it being used routinely on The New Adventures of Gilligan.

"Enterprise Attacked" (my favorite TAS/Filmation cue since I was a kid) showed up occasionally in other mid-'70s adventure shows, including Jason of Star Command. I remember The New Adventures of Batman using it at least once in a sci-fi-themed episode (the one where they went to Bat-Mite's dimension, IIRC). Generally the only ones that weren't recycled elsewhere were the ones using the TAS theme melody.

Filmation mostly stopped using the TAS-era music by 1979 or so, when they introduced a bunch of new music and started using it instead. A lot of Flash Gordon music was repurposed in Blackstar, and The New Adventures of Zorro borrowed some tracks from the previous year's Lone Ranger series. It all ended when we got to He-Man in '83 and Shuki Levy & Haim Saban replaced Ray Ellis & Norm Prescott as Filmation's composers.

 

[Orac]

The music is used in Space Academy and its spinoff Jason of Star Command.

Oh never mind @Christopher beat me to it by 10 minutes.

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Thanks guys!

Does anyone know if 'Sensor Data' or 'The Bigger Meaning' was used elsewhere?

 

[Christopher]

Does anyone know if 'Sensor Data' or 'The Bigger Meaning' was used elsewhere?

I'm pretty sure "Sensor Data" (I hate having to use these fake placeholder titles) was used in Lassie's Rescue Rangers and various other '70s shows. "The Bigger Meaning" is a slower arrangement of the TAS main title melody, so it probably wasn't used outside of TAS.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Back in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, and even into the 1980's, studios would re-use music they had the rights to. That's why you could hear score from "The Twilight Zone" in "The Virginian", score from "Hawaii Five-O" in "Wild Wild West", score from "Gunsmoke" in "Wild Wild West", score from "Gunsmoke" in "Cimarron Strip", scored from failed pilots (some times not aired) in TV series such as "The Twilight Zone" and "Hawaii Five-O", and score from "Mission: Impossible" in the pilot to "The Magician".
Just to cite some examples.

The same was true for production music libraries, where multiple shows and even radio programs would use music library music. A good example being MuTel Music.

It was a thing. If you are watching random old TV shows, you can pretty much assume that at multiple points in it, you're hearing score from other TV series.

(EDITED to above paragraph to make it more clear)

 

[Christopher]

Back in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, and even into the 1980's, studios would re-use music they had the rights to. That's why you could hear score from "The Twilight Zone" in "The Virginian", score from "Hawaii Five-O" in "Wild Wild West", score from "Gunsmoke" in "Wild Wild West", score from "Gunsmoke" in "Cimarron Strip", scored from failed pilots (some times not aired) in TV series such as "The Twilight Zone" and "Hawaii Five-O", and score from "Mission: Impossible" in the pilot to "The Magician".
Just to cite some examples.

The weirdest case for me was where a Columbo episode (I'm pretty sure, though it may have been Quincy) used about four bars of a cue I knew well from The Incredible Hulk, just that one tiny snippet and nothing more. As far as I knew, it was the only time it used stock music from another show.

It was a thing. If you are watching any old TV shows, you can assume that at multiple points in it, you're hearing score from other TV series.

That's an exaggeration. It happened occasionally, but not all the time. For instance, Star Trek never recycled cues from any other shows.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Respectfully, I didn't exaggerate, because I didn't use any language that indicate how often. I didn't say "mostly", or "often", or "All the time" or even "Almost all of the time". But it is true that watching random shows, my admittedly poorly worded "any old TV shows", you're very likely to encounter this.

Even shows that edited up and used the original scores made for them, would re-use score from other sources (two examples: the QMP "Most Wanted", and "Serpico").


I see your "Columbo" and raise you an episode of "CHiPs" that had a cue from "Mannix", like none of us were going to recognize a cue that prominently uses the opening theme from "Mannix".

 

[Ssosmcin]

The Fugitive used a lot of cues from The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits, as well as Gunsmoke and Perry Mason.

Irwin Allen pilfered the Fox music library for a lot of mid series music for Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and a good deal of later episodes of The Time Tunnel. Some on Lost in Space but other than a couple of LIS cues, Land of the Giants didn't track outside music - although composer Richard LaSalle quoted a lot of earlier scores, his own and others (Planet of the Apes was a favorite of his it seemed).

 

[Christopher]

The Fugitive used a lot of cues from The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits,

I don't think so. Dominic Frontiere reused some of his own cues between The Fugitive and The Outer Limits, but he never worked on The Twilight Zone. TF and TOL were both from United Artists, so they could have drawn on the same library, but TTZ was from a different production company.

Irwin Allen pilfered the Fox music library for a lot of mid series music for Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and a good deal of later episodes of The Time Tunnel. Some on Lost in Space but other than a couple of LIS cues, Land of the Giants didn't track outside music - although composer Richard LaSalle quoted a lot of earlier scores, his own and others (Planet of the Apes was a favorite of his it seemed).

I don't know about the others, but Lost in Space's original pilot was tracked with stock cues by Bernard Herrmann and other composers, and those cues were tracked into various season 1 episodes (including "The Marker" from Beneath the 12-Mile Reef for John Robinson's jetpack, and a lot from The Day the Earth Stood Still).

 

[Ssosmcin]

I don't think so. Dominic Frontiere reused some of his own cues between The Fugitive and The Outer Limits,

Pete Rugolo is the only composer to actually write specific cues for The Fugitive. And those were done overseas as "library" for union reasons. All of the cues used on the 4th season by Frontiere were tracked from The Outer Limits and Stoney Burke as well as the pilot for The Unknown, which was repurposed as the final episode of the first season of OL.

but he never worked on The Twilight Zone.

I never said Frontiere worked on The Twilight Zone. I didn't name him at all in my post.

TF and TOL were both from United Artists, so they could have drawn on the same library, but TTZ was from a different production company.

The music from The Twilight Zone was all over the series and was part of the CBS Music library, (the E-Z Cue Library, I think) along with Gunsmoke and Perry Mason.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

My favorite example of exogenous music was an internal pitch film made at Fox to demo Planet of the Apes as a concept. It featured Edward G. Robinson as Dr. Zaius, and was tracked with John Williams music from Lost in Space. I saw it on Youtube once but never found it again.

 

[Ssosmcin]

My favorite example of exogenous music was an internal pitch film made at Fox to demo Planet of the Apes as a concept. It featured Edward G. Robinson as Dr. Zaius, and was tracked with John Williams music from Lost in Space. I saw it on Youtube once but never found it again.

It's on the Behind the Planet of the Apes documentary which is available on its own or as a special feature in the 40 Year Evolution Blu-ray set, as well as the reissue of the set.

But if you wanna just watch it, here ya go

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Heston and Robinson really helped sell it. James Brolin looks like Odo.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I don't know about the others, but Lost in Space's original pilot was tracked with stock cues by Bernard Herrmann and other composers, and those cues were tracked into various season 1 episodes (including "The Marker" from Beneath the 12-Mile Reef for John Robinson's jetpack, and a lot from The Day the Earth Stood Still).

Yep, The Marker was the de facto theme for the jet pack in the first season.

Before LaLa Land put the LIS box set together, I was able to assemble most of the cues used in the pilot from the soundtrack albums released over the years.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Was that Paul Frees, narrating the clip?

Be that as it may, I swear there are TAS quotations in PRO.

 

[Christopher]

It's on the Behind the Planet of the Apes documentary which is available on its own or as a special feature in the 40 Year Evolution Blu-ray set, as well as the reissue of the set.

But if you wanna just watch it, here ya go

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Heston and Robinson really helped sell it. James Brolin looks like Odo.

That was fascinating -- I've never seen that, though I've heard about it. It's based on Serling's script, which was far more faithful to the novel than the final film. The makeup was comparatively crude, but Robinson was good. I bet he would've been even better if it had been the actual film instead of just a makeup test. Interesting that Linda Harrison was playing Zira.

Was that Paul Frees, narrating the clip?

I think so, yes.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

It's on the Behind the Planet of the Apes documentary which is available on its own or as a special feature in the 40 Year Evolution Blu-ray set, as well as the reissue of the set.

But if you wanna just watch it, here ya go

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Heston and Robinson really helped sell it. James Brolin looks like Odo.

Thanks. It's a wonderful artifact, and the Williams cues are still magic after transplant.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

What are those things coming out of her nose?
SPACEBALLS?!?!!
Oh shit. There goes the planet.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Was that Paul Frees, narrating the clip?

I think so, yes.

Yep sounds just like him, but more reserved than I've normally heard him.

Robinson was good. I bet he would've been even better if it had been the actual film instead of just a makeup test.

He did a solid job considering it was small scale. This test convinced the studio that the project was viable. I thought Maurice Evans was great as Zaius, but I would have loved to see what Robinson would have brought to the actual film if he wasn't allergic to the makeup.

Interesting that Linda Harrison was playing Zira.

She was the Majel Berrett of Planet of the Apes, pitching in and doing tests because she was dating the head honcho of the studio. James Brolin doing early work as well, he was a Fox contract player at that time, showing up on Batman and even a tiny part on a Voyage episode while making the rounds on other Fox shows.