You misunderstood. What I meant was that I don’t recall the actors saying that Caleb and Genesis won’t be a thing.
As I said, I definitely got those same vibes in the first two episodes.
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As I said, I definitely got those same vibes in the first two episodes.
I'm on team SAM/Ocam (OcSAM?). They're both dorks and a betazoid would probably find the fact that they can't read a photonic quite refreshing. Could be a fun dynamic.
The fact that SAM is, in one way, 4 months old does kind of make it a Kes situation all over again, though..
The fact that SAM is, in one way, 4 months old does kind of make it a Kes situation all over again, though..
Yes, but Ocam only gained a personality in the last week, so it balances out.
^ So cool to see that Lura is becoming such a fan favorite character so quickly!
I wonder why they didn’t just make her a photonic life form that’s actually seventeen years old. What is so important about the idea that she was activated merely weeks ago?
You know, I’ve been thinking the same thing. If they ever do a love story with Sam, it will be rather questionable. I wonder if they just didn’t realize this when they made the concept, because yes, this is the same problem that made three-year-old Kes having romantic (and supposedly sexual) relationships on Voyager so creepy and disturbing if you thought about it for a moment. (Although I have to say that this argument never came up whenever the Doctor fell in love or had a relationship, because he too was only a handful of years old.)
I wonder why they didn’t just make her a photonic life form that’s actually seventeen years old. What is so important about the idea that she was activated merely weeks ago?
If they had plans for SAM to be involved in any romances (right away), they wouldn't have designed her to be "seventeen" - considering all the other characters are older.
Yeah, I know, maybe Starfleet has some version of "Romeo and Juliet" laws, but it rightly gives people the ick these days.
Yeah, I know, maybe Starfleet has some version of "Romeo and Juliet" laws, but it rightly gives people the ick these days.
Well, they can’t have it both ways, can they: On the one side they want us to accept the Doctor as a sentient life form, but then when we apply standards to him that we would to other sentient life forms he’s suddenly only a hologram? Frankly, I find the implication that they can just program a hologram to be a consenting adult a little disturbing. I realize the writers didn’t want the viewers to think about this stuff too deeply and just accept the Doctor and Kes as adults, and I certainly can go with the flow on that when I watch the show. I know it’s only entertainment. But realistically a sentient life form that’s only a couple of years old having a relationship with an adult is super icky.
Of course, the Sci-Fi of it all is that if the Ocampa waited until they were old enough to procreate by human standards, they would all die off before they had the chance.
I think the ick with Kes is partly that Neelix just came across as a creepy groomer. He met her while she was still a prisoner of the Kazon, essentially promised her rescue, and then arranged for it. It came across as if he was the only man who had showed her kindness past childhood, and he was insanely jealous when other men (like Tom) got too close to her.
Honestly, the Neelix-Kes relationship seemed like the sort of thing which made sense in the series bible, but they began backing away from almost immediately - perhaps because they realized it didn't work with Ethan Phillip's age. They had separate quarters, rarely kissed, and it was strongly implied they had never had sex. All in all, it came across more like an infatuation that Neelix called a relationship than anything else.
Again, if they wanted her to be old enough to have a relationship with the other main cast members, they would've said her physical age was eighteen or twenty one in the pilot.
Making her seventeen and then having her date adults is just making things needlessly complicated.
Of course, she's also the least traditionally attractive of the main cast, so I expect they weren't planning much in the way of romance for her anyway. Which is a shame, but we all know how Hollywood works.
What could work is if her species sends another recently activated hologram and they fall in love. But other than that I think it’s a little ick, yeah.
Kerrice Brooks is 25, by the way. And I think she’s a gorgeous young woman. All the people they cast on this show are actually really attractive.
Kerrice Brooks is 25, by the way. And I think she’s a gorgeous young woman. All the people they cast on this show are actually really attractive.
How old are the rest of the cast supposed to be? I remember 21 for Caleb.
For me that's always been one of the less believable things about Starfleet Academy (not this show - in Star Trek in general) - that everyone's like these super types of geniuses, morally upstanding, experience with a thousand planets and lifeforms. But then their age brackets are like "straight from school to military".
I think they never really made their mind up if it's boot camp, or doctors & engineers from university going to astronaut training.
Don't blame this show though. Young people at space Hogwarts is certainly way more entertaining to watch than a bunch of nerdy post-grads watching a PPT on the settings of their space boots.
For me that's always been one of the less believable things about Starfleet Academy (not this show - in Star Trek in general) - that everyone's like these super types of geniuses, morally upstanding, experience with a thousand planets and lifeforms. But then their age brackets are like "straight from school to military".
I think they never really made their mind up if it's boot camp, or doctors & engineers from university going to astronaut training.
Don't blame this show though. Young people at space Hogwarts is certainly way more entertaining to watch than a bunch of nerdy post-grads watching a PPT on the settings of their space boots.
I want to make it clear I wasn't personally disparaging her looks. Setting aside that I'm in my mid 40s, even thinking back to what I was like at 20, none of the female characters on this show would particularly be "my type." I'm also of course not saying that I think she's less conventionally attractive because she's a woman of color, since Trek has had a long history of beautiful black women, from Nichelle Nichols to Celia Rose Gooding.
I do think Brooks stands out a bit because all of the other actors seem to have been cast in part due to eye candy. Let's be clear, this isn't new for Trek - particularly for female characters. However, I do think making sure all the younger male characters are hot is somewhat of a new thing, reflecting trying to get more of the YA demographic.
I hope I'm wrong, and they have the guts to give her some romance eventually (maybe by Season 2, when it's not so creepy). But even in modern incarnations of Trek, when women start departing from traditional beauty norms, they get desexualized. Witness Tilly, who was allowed to flirt in Season 1, but then had absolutely no personal life (as far as we knew) after this.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one picking up what Kyle was putting down
