Saavik falls asleep

[Grant]

Anyone else annoyed by Nimoy having Saavik fall asleep in TSFS, leading to her being completely taken by surprise and captured so easily?
Nimoy always offered himself as the expert of Vulcan behavior and they clearly show and state in TOS that Vulcans "can go weeks without sleep", but he goes out of his way to portray every single Starfleet member except our old crew is morons or jerks, including having Saavik fool around with Spock (the excuse being it saves his life I guess) and then taking a nap while an outnumbered civilian takes on a Klingon landing party.
Nimoy IMO, always wanted the audience to not care for Saavik and certainly not become a regular. But having her behave so stupidly before and after the Ponn Farr really bugs me.

In the script she is NOT asleep but get gets captured in the tiny cave she and Spock are in. But he felt that wasn't enough -- she needs to be sound asleep. It would have been nice to see her aware that the Klingons were approaching and using her training and Vulcan strength to do a decent job defending herself. There were three opponents there so she still would have gotten captured as the story required.

That's TSFS for me -- one beautiful scene followed by a really dumb or nonsensical scene. To me it's the most uneven of the first 6 movies.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Maybe something about the planet's unique conditions affected her.

 

[Grant]

My mistake -- she falls asleep twice! Once before the Ponn Farr, where they insert a shot of a Klingon dodging a falling tree, that they assume the audience is dumb enough to think is Saavik and after the Ponn Farr.

 

[The Wormhole]

Vulcans still have to sleep, and IIRC going weeks without sleep requires they make adjustments to their metabolism. Saavik probably didn't have time to make the necessary adjustments, what with her ship blowing up and stranding her on a new planet destroying itself and all the baggage that came with that.

 

[BillJ]

Nothing like Star Trek fans ruining Star Trek while I’m sitting here watching Star Trek.

 

[Firebird]

Vulcans still have to sleep, and IIRC going weeks without sleep requires they make adjustments to their metabolism. Saavik probably didn't have time to make the necessary adjustments, what with her ship blowing up and stranding her on a new planet destroying itself and all the baggage that came with that.

And lest we forget she'd just been through the deaths of several of her crewmates aboard Enterprise just days before, including her senpai. All that trauma stacks up after a while.

 

[Tosk]

Humans can go without sleep for days.
Doesn't mean they don't fall asleep daily though.

As far as I'm concerned, that goes for Vulcans too. 'Can' doesn't mean 'always do'.

 

[Campe]

This thread.
Me: Wut?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Pon far is a Telepathic compulsion that forces you and your partner into a hormone heightened sex rage.

Biologically in this movie Young Spock went through Pon far as many as 6 times, from one side to the other completing the journey, waiting around and starting again from a resting state all over again.

Saavik may have had a very different experience since Spock at different stages in his maturity, initiated a hormonal change in Saavik that could take as long as a week to pass, 6 times in 3 days, one on top of the other, ramping the torque, as if her body thought that it was expected to conceive 6 babies at the same time, or maybe inside each other like a turducken.

 

[CoveTom]

Pon far is a Telepathic compulsion that forces you and your partner into a hormone heightened sex rage.

On Earth, we call that "tequila"...

 

[Set Harth]

 

[fireproof78]

On Earth, we call that "tequila"...

My favorite karaoke Song.

 

[DonIago]

And lest we forget she'd just been through the deaths of several of her crewmates aboard Enterprise just days before, including her senpai. All that trauma stacks up after a while.

I'm not really sure "just days before" is accurate? I think it's supposed to have been at least a couple of weeks? There has to at least have been enough time for David and Saavik to transfer to Grissom and most of the trainees (and Carol?) to transfer elsewhere.

 

[Firebird]

I'm not really sure "just days before" is accurate? I think it's supposed to have been at least a couple of weeks? There has to at least have been enough time for David and Saavik to transfer to Grissom and most of the trainees (and Carol?) to transfer elsewhere.

Either way, it hasn't been that long since the events of TWOK.

 

[Grant]

So we want to pretend it wasn't sh**ty writing that made the character an incompetent idiot? Check.

 

[Grant]

And for the record she fell asleep before the Pon Farr as well -- but hey she had a bad week so all forgiven and Nimoy was correct in altering the script where she didn't fall asleep once, let alone twice

 

[The Salt Umpire]

Nothing like Star Trek fans ruining Star Trek while I’m sitting here watching Star Trek.

Sounds like a TriTrekTa

Spoiler: bad punster! bad!

trifecta

to me.

 

[The Salt Umpire]

And for the record she fell asleep before the Pon Farr as well -- but hey she had a bad week so all forgiven and Nimoy was correct in altering the script where she didn't fall asleep once, let alone twice

Maybe Romulans suffer from pre pon farr narcolepsy syndrome? Nah, the writing was poorly done there.

 

[fireproof78]

So we want to pretend it wasn't sh**ty writing that made the character an incompetent idiot? Check.

But enough about TWOK

But, yes, we have to ignore shitty writing, otherwise have of TOS wouldn't happen.

 

[Grant]

^Yeah, except this was shi**y improv from the director since the script didn't have her fall asleep even once.