Spoilers ST: Khan by K. Beyer, D. Mack & N. Meyer Review Thread
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That's not quite how it played out, the First Order was way out on the outskirts of the galaxy, and pretty much stayed out of their way while they were building up their power, so most of the Republic wasn't really aware of them or what they were up to. There were people like Leia who were aware of them and tried to warn the leadership of the Republic, but they wouldn't believe them since in their eyes the First Order was just rumors out in an area of space they weren't concerned about. That was the whole reason Leia started The Resistance and wasn't part of the Republic's leadership any more. I don't think anybody, even The Resistance was really aware of the scale of what the First Order had in their arsenal, which was why Starkiller destroying the Hosnian system was such a shock, nobody realized until then that the First Order was more than a handful of left over Imperial loyalists who couldn't move on.
I've gotta disagree, I've been loving the Disney era so far.
The problem is, they already had information about entire planets being enslaved thanks to Paige and Rose Tico. And the fleet-killing capabilities of the dreadnaughts that the First Order had, as well as recognizing Snoke's command ship on sight- and both at the start of TLJ, with no time to learn these things between the time pre-TFA and then, indicating that already, they were familiar with both military forces sufficient to occupy entire planets, and military capability capable of eliminating entire fleets, at the very least.
Unfortunately, whatever the intent in TFA, TLJ completely undercuts it by simply having the Resistance know (and have material witnesses) to far too much. At that point, the mental gymnastics requires to have the New Republic still fail to take the threat seriously simply exceed the barrier of my suspension of disbelief. Like any retcon, if you want it hard enough, anything can be made to fit if one accepts enough. But I find the incongruities of the First Order backstory exceed any standard of acceptance that I can buy.
(That said, I did enjoy TRoS- yes, at least one person did!- Rebels, The Mandalorian, and Ahsokah. (And I hear good things about Andor, which I intend to check out). But there has also but a lot of... other content, to be accepted alongside those...)
Did anyone have any particular episodes or scenes that have stuck with them?
I really liked all the one on one conversations between Khan and Delmonda. As the series was nearing the end that’s what I was looking forward to each work.
Also, thinking about how the scene where Khan decides to stay with his people added to how far he had fallen at the end of TWoK because he had become totally absorbed in his vengeance beyond any care for his people. He had become totally selfish like Cortes.
I really liked all the one on one conversations between Khan and Delmonda. As the series was nearing the end that’s what I was looking forward to each work.
Also, thinking about how the scene where Khan decides to stay with his people added to how far he had fallen at the end of TWoK because he had become totally absorbed in his vengeance beyond any care for his people. He had become totally selfish like Cortes.
I Am Marla was a particularly powerful and heart-wrenching episode, and the call back to Cortez in the finale was a particularly effective scene for me.
There was one episode of Strange New Worlds season 3 that was far worse than Section 31.
Which one?
Four and a Half Vulcans joins The Alternative Factor and Where the Children Shall Lead from the original series, Code of Honor and Shades of Gray from TNG, Profit and Lace and Let He Who is Without Sin from DS9, Threshold and Spirit Folk from Voyager, and A Night in Sick Bay and These Are the Voyages from Enterprise among others on the list of Star Trek episodes that were worse than Section 31, and that's just off the top of my head.
^ I did. In fact, I would put Four and a Half Vulcans near the bottom of even this list.
Speaking for myself, literally everything for me,
other than Doug the Vulcan.
The biological exceptionalism and rewinding La'an's character development of the acceptance of her ancestry from earlier in the series are the biggest things.
The biological exceptionalism and rewinding La'an's character development of the acceptance of her ancestry from earlier in the series are the biggest things.
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All of this, plus the fact that it was intended to be a comedy and it just wasn't funny. Ever. Not even once during the main stretch of the episode. The only time the episode even got a smirk out of me was the scene with Doug and Spock and that was after the credits ran.
And, honestly, this is far as I'm going to participate in this tangent. From now on any comments I make will be about the Khan series.
I just realized that the spoiler deadline for SNW Season 3 is not up and we should be spoiler tagging stuff from it.
We should move this discussion to the episode thread.
That La'An will always try and be superior because of her augment DNA.
Unlike some others, I don't think the way the main characters acted after turning Vulcan is biological exceptionalism, because it was explained (albeit quickly and poorly) by Una in the episode that the way they were acting and behaving (Emotional control and being jerks towards Spock) had nothing to with them being Vulcan but because the serum that turned them Vulcan. It was reverse engineered from what the magic energy beings in Episode 2x05 did to Spock, and was derived from his own personal experiences as a Vulcan.
It's stupid, but not biological exceptionalism. Just bad sci-fi mumbo-jumbo.
The other big thing I don't like is that all bigotry towards Spock in the episode was treated as a big joke, as part of the comedy. Bigotry should never been treated as a joke.
Unlike some others, I don't think the way the main characters acted after turning Vulcan is biological exceptionalism, because it was explained (albeit quickly and poorly) by Una in the episode that the way they were acting and behaving (Emotional control and being jerks towards Spock) had nothing to with them being Vulcan but because the serum that turned them Vulcan. It was reverse engineered from what the magic energy beings in Episode 2x05 did to Spock, and was derived from his own personal experiences as a Vulcan.
It's stupid, but not biological exceptionalism. Just bad sci-fi mumbo-jumbo.
The other big thing I don't like is that all bigotry towards Spock in the episode was treated as a big joke, as part of the comedy. Bigotry should never been treated as a joke.
We should move this discussion to the episode thread.
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While I don't disagree with the criticisms of the episode, just a reminder that this isn't really the place for discussing the shows.
Much appreciated!
Much appreciated!
