I don't get it.

[Wonderlust King]

There a lot of Voyager fans out there, a lot of devoted fans. I just don't get it, the whole we're stranded in the middle of space concept is ridiculously stupid to me and i find most of the characters (especially janeway) to be really annoying. Can some one tell me what you see in Voyager?

although i will admit seven of nine is the second hottest star trek character behind T'Pol, with dax (jadzia) coming in third.

 

[Michael]

Perhaps not a good idea to post a "I hate Voyager" post in a forum devoted to Voyager. I see it's also one of your first posts. Nice way of introducing yourself ...

Anyway, welcome to the board. I think you'll fit in nicely.

 

[Wonderlust King]

Perhaps not a good idea to post a "I hate Voyager" post in a forum devoted to Voyager. I see it's also one of your first posts. Nice way of introducing yourself ...

Anyway, welcome to the board. I think you'll fit in nicely.

thank you.

 

[Kegek]

Hi; and welcome. Now onto business.

There a lot of Voyager fans out there, a lot of devoted fans. I just don't get it, the whole we're stranded in the middle of space concept is ridiculously stupid to me

It's a cliche; but I don't think it's a bad idea. Many of Voyager's critics work from the reverse assumption, that it's a good idea that Voyager never had the guts to handle properly.

Can some one tell me what you see in Voyager?

In essence?

The Doctor.

He's one of my favourite characters in all of Star Trek; probably because he more resembles me than any other one. He has excellent taste, a droll wit, a fine voice, and is almost always a delight to watch.

 

[kimc]

For me it's the characters - especially Janeway & Tuvie (Tuvok).

 

[JRobertson]

I like almost anything Star Trek, although rather unusually I guess, I have a bit of a problem with DS9, what with those godawful annoying not-funny Ferengi and the series being ground-bound. But even some of the DS9 episodes are fun.

The series specifically, I like the premise. The chance to be fresh when far away from things.

I like the Doctor and Seven. A lot. I'll take them anytime over Riker, any Crusher, and God forbid Troi. Tuvok was OK. Janeway and Chakotay were OK.

And as with any ST series, several of the stories were outstanding.

 

[KiraDax]

I like the characters.

I think the plot, settings, and individual episode stories were handled horribly (blandly), but I really, really like the characters.

 

[CorporalClegg]

There a lot of Voyager fans out there, a lot of devoted fans. I just don't get it, the whole we're stranded in the middle of space concept is ridiculously stupid to me

Well, as a plot device it's a very good one and has been rooted in the corridors of great literature. In this case, however, it probably could have been executed with a bit more panache .

and i find most of the characters (especially janeway) to be really annoying. Can some one tell me what you see in Voyager?

How does one classify "annoying"?

although i will admit seven of nine is the second hottest star trek character behind T'Pol, with dax (jadzia) coming in third.

I'm so glad you approve. I guess you're a member of that mythical demographic Paramount tried so hard to appeal to.

How old are you, anyway? This is the most puerile post I've read in quite some time. If you want to succeed around here, you're going to have to do better.

 

[Kio]

I guess you're a member of that mythical demographic Paramount tried so hard to appeal to.

How old are you, anyway? This is the most puerile post I've read in quite some time. If you want to succeed around here, you're going to have to do better.

That's exactly what I was thinking. But hell, this makes for a good opportunity to talk about what's so satisfying about Voyager.

I thought TNG characters were well drawn when it on the air, but Voyager's characters seem so much richer and more human. We see their failings and how they cope with them more realistically, IMHO, than on the other series. It was nice to see another major Vulcan character, I'm surprised they waited so long. I liked the premise of the show, it was radically different from the others where a starship had backup not too far off and dealt from a position of strength. I would have bored by another "we're on a 5 year mission" setup. About the premise being "ridiculously stupid", how about the universe being chock-full of humanoid species zooming through space?

 

[Orac Zen]

I just don't get it, the whole we're stranded in the middle of space concept is ridiculously stupid to me and i find most of the characters (especially janeway) to be really annoying. Can some one tell me what you see in Voyager?

The very things you find "ridiculously stupid" and "annoying" - especially the characters (Chuckles excepted) - are what I find most appealing about Voyager. To each their own.

Many of Voyager's critics work from the reverse assumption, that it's a good idea that Voyager never had the guts to handle properly.

Or, more accurately, that the UPN suits wouldn't allow all involved to handle properly.

 

[Wonderlust King]

I don't know, i might give it another chance. I've only watched parts of maybe 9 or 10 episodes. Maybe i will borrow the dvds off one of my buddies.

 

[THE_FETT]

Does anyone really know why they like what they like? I mean really? Because, why do I like Star Trek? When I think about it, I can maybe give you a few criteria "I like sci-fi" and "I like exploring space stories" and such. But then you can point to a show I don't like which actually meets the same criteria. It's like, I like a painting, and you don't like it. But why? Why do I like the music I like, and hate the music I hate? I really have no idea. Somewhere along the path of life, it just, became the way it is.

 

[ZERO_of_ZERO]

For me it's the characters - especially Janeway & Tuvie (Tuvok).

I like the characters.

I think the plot, settings, and individual episode stories were handled horribly (blandly), but I really, really like the characters.

Yes I like the characters too ........ like Jeri Ryan


and ......... Jeri Ryan



and ........Jeri Ryan



and ........ Sorry Ill stop now, but I do like Jeri Ryan.

....... Mmmmmm Perhaps its a Guy thing?

 

[RoJoHen]

although i will admit seven of nine is the second hottest star trek character behind T'Pol, with dax (jadzia) coming in third.

I'm so glad you approve. I guess you're a member of that mythical demographic Paramount tried so hard to appeal to.

Hilarious. That's exactly what I thought when I read it.

There's a lot more to Voyager than Borg Boobs.
If you take the time, I think you'll find that a lot of the characters are extremely likable and fun to watch.

 

[THE_FETT]

There's a lot more to Voyager than Borg Boobs.

True enough, but Borg Boobs are still a very likable aspect of VOY.

 

[Lynx]

There a lot of Voyager fans out there, a lot of devoted fans. I just don't get it, the whole we're stranded in the middle of space concept is ridiculously stupid to me and i find most of the characters (especially janeway) to be really annoying. Can some one tell me what you see in Voyager?

although i will admit seven of nine is the second hottest star trek character behind T'Pol, with dax (jadzia) coming in third.

Well, I must contradict you here. My main reason for liking Voyager is the characters. I find them the best characters of all Trek series.

Voyager was the first series overall (not only Star Trek) where I took an immediate liking for all the main characters from the first episode. OK, I did have some problems with The Doctor in the beginning, finding the whole idea of a "living hologram" a bit over the top. But it didn't take many episodes before I started to like his sarcastic comments. I remember that sequence in "Time And Again" where he's talking about "being on the Voyage Of The Damned". I think that it was there I started to like him!

I must admit that I really disliked Seven for some years, mainly because Kes was kicked out to make room for her and because of the character getting too much screen time on the expense of the others. I was a bit nasty to the characters in some posts back then which caused some conflicts with otherposters. But thanks to one of them, who I have continued to debate with in recent years, I've re-evalued my opinion of the character and have understood that there were other reasons than the "sexy appeal" who made many fans like her. Besides that, Jeri Ryan is a teriffic actress. But I still think that it was wrong to kick out Kes, they should have brought in Seven without kicking anyone out.

I also liked the premise for the series with a federation starship lost in the Delta Quadrant and the mixed Starfleet-Maquis crew. There were some things which could have been done better but despite some dissapointments, Voyager remains a favorite.

 

[Triskelion]

Agree with a lot of what's said here. Voyager - well first I like the set design. It's superior to all other sets in Trek in my opinion, save maybe the Dauntless set in Enterprise's MU.

The characters of VOY were more human than most other franchises and we got to know them and we got to see them contradicting themselves over time (for example, Janeway clinging to Starfleet ideals (contrasted to Ramsey in the Equinox) in one epi and then discarding them in others, such as torture or the Tuvix incident). I lament the loss of potential character explorations, such as Chakotay, who had very little opportunity to stretch his swashbuckling legs, except that one time he punched a Maquis - that's the Chakotay I wanted to see more of (and dammit I'm going to write it for his character now that I think about it).

Voy was also allowed to be humorous. Granted, the technobabble solutions got predictable pretty quick, it was a bit formulaic in that regard. Seven should have made more of an effort to cooperate, I didn't quite like that she felt the right to question the Captain at every turn, as if she were in any position to understand the organizational structure of that new environment--for a Borg, she really didn't adapt all that well, did she.

Tuvok was a great character and though not human, very sensitive to humor and emotion. Would like to have seen more shows with him and Tom.

I love Voyager. It's not any other series, it's unique.

 

[JayTheTrekkie]

I had no problem with Voyager. The only thing that I didn't care about was Kes...I was glad she left. I was no fan of her. She was alright though.

 

[Michael]

... save maybe the Dauntless set in Enterprise's MU.

What set?

 

[Kegek]

Many of Voyager's critics work from the reverse assumption, that it's a good idea that Voyager never had the guts to handle properly.

Or, more accurately, that the UPN suits wouldn't allow all involved to handle properly.

Those aren't mutually exclusive statements. My example refers to the alleged result: That Voyager didn't exploit its premise properly. Yours agrees with that and posits a reason for it not exploting its premise properly.