Exactly. Let's not forget that even Voyager's 'Threshold' won an Emmy for makeup.
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Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread
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And Timeless was ROBBED of the Outstanding Special Visual Effects award.
I mean Voyager did win it with 'Dark Frontier', but still.
Section 31 was definitely a loss for filling in the blanks, I agree.
You do realize that constantly repeating this still won't make it true?
Cutting out the context doesn't make you sensible either. The facts speak for themselves, SEC31 was a top movie on Paramount's streaming service. This isn't a commentary on its reviews, it's a simple fact, of which you are speaking nothing of.
On another note: Paramount has gone ahead and sold exclusive streaming rights to HBOMax.
Watch Star Trek: Section 31 (HBO) | Max
Watch Star Trek: Section 31 (HBO) on HBO Max. Emperor Philippa Georgiou joins a secret division of Starfleet. Tasked with protecting the United Federation of Planets, she must also face the sins of her past.
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The fact is that the movie sucked, and we won’t be getting any more. If ‘Star Trek’ wasn’t in the title, nobody would have bothered to watch it. I’m not sure why you keep persisting that this abomination is something that it wasn’t.
Again, you're talking about subjective opinion, and at least half of fandom disagrees with you anyway.
I'm talking about objective facts, it was a top streaming film for 2 months, and appeared again later on. So much so that this article was written.
This Divisive Star Trek Movie With 20% on Rotten Tomatoes Just Became a Stealth Streaming Hit
This movie stars a beloved Oscar winner but was still lambasted by critics upon release.
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OK, now that I've carried the day and won this discussion, you're free to think Section 31 was terrible. That's not what the OP was about. Sigh
Again, you're talking about subjective opinion, and at least half of fandom disagrees with you anyway.
I'm talking about objective facts, it was a top streaming film for 2 months, and appeared again later on. So much so that this article was written.
This Divisive Star Trek Movie With 20% on Rotten Tomatoes Just Became a Stealth Streaming Hit
This movie stars a beloved Oscar winner but was still lambasted by critics upon release.
OK, now that I've carried the day and won this discussion, you're free to think Section 31 was terrible. That's not what the OP was about. Sigh
Yay, good for you that you won the internet with your meaningless link. We all know what you’re trying to do here, since you’ve done it in the past and was told to knock it off by a mod. So yes, we can absolutely end this discussion now.
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Knock off what exactly?? Making you look bad? No, that was fun.
If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, that has nothing to do with my OP...in fact, bringing up that the new head of streaming put the kibosh on TV Movies for good was the point of the post.
So it looks like you're just trying to argue for the sake of it, and are now scampering off with your tail between your legs.
It’s actually both. Every single review I’ve read, every single Facebook, YouTube, etc. response I’ve read, has been overwhelmingly negative. Those are facts too.
The fact is the majority of expressed opinions are negative.
Without knowing the ratio of said expressed opinions to the number of people who have seen the film it can't be stated if it is the overall majority of opinions.
But those are all still opinions which will never be fact. Even if 99% of all people on the planet felt the same way about something it cannot by its very nature ever be a factual statement. And of course if initial reactions were considered gospel nothing would ever evolve into a cult classic, there is always the potential for the majority of a viewer or listener's opinions to change massively over time. What was once panned or ignored could one day be insanely popular and beloved.
That you stand by your opinion is indeed a fact and I would never ask you to change your opinion.Section 31 still sucked. I stand by what I wrote. And that’s a fact
(And I don’t see this thing becoming a cult classic 20 years down the road…)
And I agree, I do not see 31 becoming a cult classic, I meant that as a blanket statement about media in general. And for what it's worth I do agree that the odds of a sequel are negligible due to its reception. Case in point Into Darkness was so badly received few bothered to even go see Beyond and they abandoned that whole universe. Opinions are powerful.
@Dukhat and @Quantum21, please give it a rest, will you? We don’t need people hurling niceties like “scampering off with your tail between your legs” at each other. And please let’s not repeat that spiel every other month.
@Quantum21, there’s celebrating a movie and being its champion online (and that is obviously fine). And then there’s whatever the hell you are doing. When you are singing this movie’s praises it often feels like part of the reason you’re doing it is to stick it to the folks who are critical of it. There’s people on here who enjoyed the movie or parts of it (I did, for example) and they are able to voice that without what I see as thinly veiled sneering. So please dial it back, and we can all be more peaceful with one another.
By that same token, though, @Dukhat: You really don’t have to jump on every damn chance you get to set the record straight regarding this movie. Especially when you seem to realize that the other side is making their case in what appears to be bad faith.
@Quantum21, there’s celebrating a movie and being its champion online (and that is obviously fine). And then there’s whatever the hell you are doing. When you are singing this movie’s praises it often feels like part of the reason you’re doing it is to stick it to the folks who are critical of it. There’s people on here who enjoyed the movie or parts of it (I did, for example) and they are able to voice that without what I see as thinly veiled sneering. So please dial it back, and we can all be more peaceful with one another.
By that same token, though, @Dukhat: You really don’t have to jump on every damn chance you get to set the record straight regarding this movie. Especially when you seem to realize that the other side is making their case in what appears to be bad faith.
Maybe I missed someone bringing this up already, but I thought this Collider article from a few days ago was interesting. Yeoh acknowledges some of the flaws of the movie and its less than stellar reception. Here are the key parts …
Yeah, she’s a seasoned Hollywood professional and of course she’s not going to throw anyone in particular under the bus, but I would say that the main reason for the film’s lackluster quality lies in the script. Although I personally was never the biggest fan of the idea to base a movie on Emperor Georgiou and the Discovery version of Section 31, I do think there’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea and in theory there could have been a cool movie with these ingredients. Same goes for most of the characters, actors, production design and music.
What I think is even more interesting is that her phrasing (“walking a very fine balance between the Star Trek and Section 31” and “push the boundaries of what Star Trek: Section 31 is about”) makes it sound like she’s suggesting the movie didn’t succeed because it wasn’t “Star Trek enough”, which I’m sure some people feel that way, but I think she’s mistaken if she believes that otherwise it was a perfectly well-written movie.
What I think is even more interesting is that her phrasing (“walking a very fine balance between the Star Trek and Section 31” and “push the boundaries of what Star Trek: Section 31 is about”) makes it sound like she’s suggesting the movie didn’t succeed because it wasn’t “Star Trek enough”, which I’m sure some people feel that way, but I think she’s mistaken if she believes that otherwise it was a perfectly well-written movie.
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